Interesting weapon. It interests me because I, whose only gun experience is once firing a .22 at cans many years ago, am trying to figure out what sort of weapon to get for my campsite. I’ve built a wall tent on an isolated shore of one our lakes in NWT and am building out the campsite. Lots of wildlife around including curious bears and wandering cougar. I suppose the moose could also be dangerous during mating season.
Anyways, what my attempted thread hijack is about; what sort of shotgun would be good for a novice (who would get training), is reliable and has stopping power? Bigger bonus if the weapon could have “bangers” loaded before the deadly cartridges.

I suppose the moose could also be dangerous during mating season.

That depends. What do you look like?
;)

Another friend recommended the Mossberg 500 12-guage.

I chose the Mossberg 500 “Persuader” in 12 gauge over the Remington 870, but it was a close call. Looks exactly like this:
http://tinyurl.com/yzvlmkw

Posted by Murray-the-Miser
2010-02-03 13:41:18

BINGO!…right now you can expect to wait 4+ months for the tax stamp to get to your door. A couple yrs ago it only took 2 or 3 months to register an SBR.

I don’t feel the need to recognize my own banning.
Posted by MurraytheMiser
2010-02-03 15:41:06

Great justification, miser. The rules you flaunt you now flout. That shoe is kinda tight on the other foot, isn’t it.

typical conservative demand that everybody else follow the rules but you, thanks for clarifying that.
Posted by whats_up 2010-02-03 15:49:14

More lectures from the hypocrite!

More lectures from the hypocrite!
Posted by StanInTexas
2010-02-03 15:55:19

Well, stan, you have been banned also. You certainly know about being a hypocrite.

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-02-03 16:06:47

Aw, stan. Your last resort of “deflection” so quickly moves up to your first resort when you’re squealing in that hole you’ve dug for yourself. lol

Northern Canuck:

I’ve got the Mossberg 500 packaged as the JIC model. Not as much capacity as the Persuader (it only holds 6 rounds). But it has an 18.5″ barrel and it comes in a handy watertight cylinder case which is easy to carry. I got mine as an adjunct to the Remington 870 that I’ve had for a good while. My intended use for it is as a home security tool.

productive semi-regulars?
Posted by MurraytheMiser
2010-02-03 16:17:15

Well, those we like.

miser, yesterday you said you were leaving for good. Wot happened?

Posted by MurraytheMiser
2010-02-03 16:27:01

miser, do you and stan work for the same company
- Deflections ? Us

So shove your pissy little “address the issue” up your ass.
Posted by StanInTexas
2010-02-03 16:29:35

Aw, stan, you’re a hypocrite AND you’re throwing a hissy fit? Gotta be tough being you.

Oh, and you’re a liar, as this post you made at trenchraider’s blog shows.

October 13, 2009
StanW said…

Just an aside – I logged out for the last time yesterday, and I have no plans on returning. When Vega and W_U have free run of the place, when Martha keeps returning as often as that POS does…well, if I wanted to read liberal diarrhea, I’d sign up on the DU or Kos or some such. Trench, if you want to fight the fight, more power to you. But if Hawkins wants to have a troll run site, I see no reason to support him.

Folks, there’s an easy way to deal with the likes of Realpolitik or whats_up that won’t get you banned.

Ignore them. Note their worthlessness and move on.

When you spend a long time talking with an imbecile, people start to wonder who the imbecile is.

Bill,

I’ve noticed that, right or wrong, the conservatives who get banned here are the ones who allow the libs to push them over the edge to the point where they either make some kind of personal threat against them or else release a completely unhinged verbal attack on them that involves death wishes. If I was John, I’d ban for those same things. As a business owner, he has to treat such statements as a potential legal liability on his part, and they present a much larger problem than trollish behavior that is easily ignored.

Posted by StanInTexas

I meant “a larger problem” in terms of what John likely worries about as a business owner. Potential legal liability vs. annoying mental gnats buzzing around his site. Once John has banned a user, he has accomplished due dilligence from a liability perspective, and if the poster shows up under a different name he can put the onus of responsibility on them. Plus, I find the trolls very easy to ignore, but when a comment thread is taken up by 30 profanity-ridden replies to one troll post (often when the offending post wasn’t even trollish in nature), that is harder to ignore than the original post.

Posted by MurraytheMiser

I could have sworn you told somebody to “fuck off and die” or some variant, just before your banning happened. I apologize if I am incorrect. I’m just saying as a businessman, John would be smart to ride herd over those kinds of comments in a much harsher way than somebody who is just generally annoying, and I have noticed it is those types of comments that tend to get people banned.

Canuck,

Since you are looking at something to deal with four-legged critters instead of the two-legged kind, you can probably save some money by not going all-in with a “home defense” shotgun with all the bells and whistles. I would go with a Remington 870 in 12 gauge (pump guns are very reliable and the Rem 870 is the best one out there and is still reasonably priced) that has a synthetic stock. You’ll be out in the elements and the synthetic stock won’t warp or crack and you won’t be concerned about how it looks to your hunting buddies. Also, get it with the shortest vent rib barrel (for handiness) you can find in modified choke or with interchangable choke tubes (in case you want to use buckshot or birdshot on predators). You can shoot noisemakers and slugs with reasonable accuracy. Lastly, get an aftermarket fiber optic front sight for night use. If you want to go beyond that, you can get a Surefire or Streamlight tactical light and a mount that clips it to the barrel along with a remote pressure switch. It will help you check out those noises you hear at night when camping. Hope this helps.

And, I’m thinking of a gun for home defense but the wife is absolutely set against it so how do I persuade her?
Any suggestions?

Posted by libliever
2010-02-03 22:08:54

Ask her if she think the death/rape/or robbery of either of you while the other watches without being able to stop it appeals to her. Not being smart assed about this. YOU are responsible for your own safety. Ask her her thoughts of a drug crazed animal with a machete suddenly deciding your home looks like a piggy bank as well as a place to get his rocks off on the way out after killing any witnesses. Crazy world out there lib, Nixon not only owns several firearms, he has a concealed carry permit and uses it.

Tell your wife you’d rather own a gun than watch her get raped and killed. Such crimes happen every single f’n day. Tell her you are getting one because you love her. If that doesn’t work, do it anyway.

And when you buy a gun, take some classes and learn to properly use it. The NRA website has a list of classes nationwide.

1) Trollish behaviour is not so easy to ignore, as nearly every Conservative on this board can attest.

Stan, I agree with your other point but I have to disagree with this one. There is absolutely nothing difficult about ignoring trolls. I do it all the time. It’s not hard.

The problem here is that a lot of people take these forums WAY too seriously. I don’t. I hold absolutely no illusions that I’m “changing minds” or “countering misinformation” by arguing with left-wing trolls on RWN. If I wanted to do that I’d attend town hall meetings or write newspaper editorials (or just get a blog of my own). I come here to pick fights and beat on dumb liberals, no other reason. I do it because I like it and because I’m good at it, not because I think I’m accomplishing anything.

Former RWN poster [name redacted because I think it's getting caught in the filter] is the quintessential example of what I’m talking about. As much as I liked Trenchraider, one thing that really annoyed me about him was his tendency to act as self-appointed “troll monitor” of RWN. He took this blog WAY too seriously and because of that it was really hard to miss him when he was finally shown the door.

“And, I’m thinking of a gun for home defense but the wife is absolutely set against it so how do I persuade her?”

Take her to a firing range and let her squeeze off a few rounds. Few are the women who aren’t swept off their feet by the gratifying sense of equality and security they experience when they hold a large caliber weapon in their hands (which brings us to one of the most important -and controversial- laws of handgun defense: Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a “4″)

Stan, I agree with your other point but I have to disagree with this one. There is absolutely nothing difficult about ignoring trolls. I do it all the time. It’s not hard.

Posted by mightysamurai 2010-02-03 23:25:32

Sam, with all due respect, you are just as guilty of troll-bashing and responding to them as anyone else here. We have all done it. We say we won’t, but we all do it at one time or the other.

I agree that some take things here too seriously and let the trolls get the better of them. It has happened to me as well.

The issue I was raising is that you have people on this and other boards that do nothing but troll and try to push peoples buttons. Sometimes that works and people (like Trench) respond harshly. But to punish the one that responded and not the one that instigated it only emboldens the instigator.

That is what the IRS is going with? I’kll take my SAIGA 12 over that any day.

Oh, I like that one.
Posted by CavalierX 2010-02-04 11:42:52

It’s the slogan of one of our local gun ranges!

1) Trollish behaviour is not so easy to ignore, as nearly every Conservative on this board can attest.

Stan, I agree with your other point but I have to disagree with this one. There is absolutely nothing difficult about ignoring trolls. I do it all the time. It’s not hard.

The problem here is that a lot of people take these forums WAY too seriously. I don’t. I hold absolutely no illusions that I’m “changing minds” or “countering misinformation” by arguing with left-wing trolls on RWN. If I wanted to do that I’d attend town hall meetings or write newspaper editorials (or just get a blog of my own). I come here to pick fights and beat on dumb liberals, no other reason. I do it because I like it and because I’m good at it, not because I think I’m accomplishing anything.

Former RWN poster Tr3nchraider is the quintessential example of what I’m talking about. As much as I liked Tr3nchraider, one thing that really annoyed me about him was his tendency to act as self-appointed “troll monitor” of RWN. He took this blog WAY too seriously and because of that it was really hard to miss him when he was finally shown the door.