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Another Terrorist Dry Run
Written By : Melissa Clouthier

Remember the flight from Atlanta to Houston that got turned around because of the guy who wouldn’t get off the phone? That’s not what happened. From the website Nobody Asked Me via Pierre LeGrand:

I was in 1st class coming home. 11 Muslim men got on the plane in full attire. 2 sat in 1st class and the rest peppered themselves throughout the plane all the way to the back. As the plane taxied to the runway the stewardesses gave the safety spiel we are all so familiar with. At that time, one of the men got on his cell and called one of his companions in the back and proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic very loudly and very aggressively. This took the 1st stewardess out of the picture for she repeatedly told the man that cell phones were not permitted at the time. He ignored her as if she was not there.

The 2nd man who answered the phone did the same and this took out the 2nd stewardess. In the back of the plane at this time, 2 younger Muslims, one in the back, isle, and one in front of him, window, began to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it. Now….they are only permitted to do this prior to Jihad. If a Muslim man goes into a strip club, he has to view the woman via mirror with his back to her. (don’t ask me….I don’t make the rules, but I’ve studied). The 3rd stewardess informed them that they were not to have electronic devices on at this time. To which one of the men said “shut up infidel dog!” She went to take the camcorder and he began to scream in her face in Arabic. At that exact moment, all 11 of them got up and started to walk the cabin. This is where I had had enough! I got up and started to the back where I heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size say “I got your back.” I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said “you WILL go sit down or you Will be thrown from this plane!” As I “led” him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back of his neck and his waist and headed out with him. I then grabbed the 2nd man and said, “You WILL do the same!” He protested but adrenaline was flowing now and he was going to go. As I escorted him forward the plane doors open and 3 TSA agents and 4 police officers entered. Me and my new Texan friend were told to cease and desist for they had this under control. I was happy to oblige actually. There was some commotion in the back, but within moments, all 11 were escorted off the plane. They then unloaded their luggage.

We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happen, when suddenly, the door open again and on walked all 11!! Stone faced, eyes front and robotic (the only way I can describe it). The stewardess from the back had been in tears and when she saw this, she was having NONE of it! Being that I was up front, I heard and saw the whole ordeal. She told the TSA agent there was NO WAY she was staying on the plane with these men. The agent told her they had searched them and were going to go through their luggage with a fine tooth comb and that they were allowed to proceed to Houston. The captain and co-captain came out and told the agent “we and our crew will not fly this plane!” After a word or two, the entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. 5 minutes later, the cabin door opened again and a whole new crew walked on.

Again…..this is where I had had enough!!! I got up and asked “What the hell is going on!?!?” I was told to take my seat. They were sorry for the delay and I would be home shortly. I said “I’m getting off this plane”. The stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off. (now I’m mad!) I said “I am a grown man who bought this ticket, who’s time is mine with a family at home and I am going through that door, or I’m going through that door with you under my arm!! But I am going through that door!!” And I heard a voice behind me say “so am I”. Then everyone behind us started to get up and say the same. Within 2 minutes, I was walking off that plane where I was met with more agents who asked me to write a statement. I had 5 hours to kill at this point so why the hell not. Due to the amount of people who got off that flight, it was cancelled. I was supposed to be in Houston at 6pm. I got here at 12:30am.

Recall, this post from Michelle Malkin and her thoughts on Anne Jacobson about the James Woods incident where Mohammed Atta was in a “dry run” a month before 9/11.

This has happened before. It could happen again. Will a country so cowed by political correctness, like the Army was, be unwitting dupes in their own demise yet again? If people in the Army were afraid to call out a psychotic superior, will common citizens resist?

I don’t believe we can count on the “officials” here any more than we’ve ever been able to count on them. Americans must be self-reliant. They must stand up for common sense. They must resist the social pressure to ignore threats because it might offend someone to do so.

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  • whats_up

    Melissa have you even checked the accuracy of this posting on another blog? C’mon get a grip.

  • Realpolitik

    Yup, Melissa quaffed deeply of the kool aid when she posted this.

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    I see the terrorist apologists are out in full force trying to discredit the author of an article instead of disputing the substance contained in it. Good job, kiddies, you can run along and play in traffic now while the adults have a discussion.

  • Realpolitik

    Posted by CavalierX
    2009-12-02 12:05:41

    Adults! LOL.

    Hey, Cav – ya got a BIG Texan covering your back?

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    Posted by whats_up
    2009-12-02 11:17:23

    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-12-02 11:57:15

    And does either of you have proof that’s NOT what happened??

  • Realpolitik

    Posted by bthewolf
    2009-12-02 12:13:24
    And does either of you have proof that’s NOT what happened??

    The same amount of proof which shows that it did.

  • Robert_Ingersoll

    This must be a new feature, “Melissa Clouthier’s Bad Fiction Corner”.

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    The same amount of proof which shows that it did.
    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-12-02 12:15:16

    So the EYEWITNESS account of a person who was on that flight is NOT evidence?? What fucking world do you live in?

  • http://www.comics.com/editoons/asay/ Zheldon

    No, I think the left needs to practice what they preach. They always expect the right to prove something false. Well guys, proof this is not right.

    It is true until proven false.

    On a side note, I am a little suspect of it. You can follow the link which can lead to others offering more information. I found one of the links there. http://espositosmusings.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/air-tran-flight-297-incident1.pdf

    If it is a hoax it is a first. Kind of like when some one first received that email from a rich Nigerian businessman that needs their help.

  • Realpolitik

    Posted by bthewolf
    2009-12-02 12:19:55
    There is no “EYEWITNESS”. I live in the real fucking world.

  • Robert_Ingersoll

    @bthewolf,

    Oh I concur that Pepe Le Pew here is a credible source. The ‘Texan’ was probably John Wayne and stewardess Marilyn Monroe…

  • MediumHeadBoy

    Wow, all the douchebag trolls on one thread. We’re so blessed…

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    There is no “EYEWITNESS”. I live in the real fucking world.
    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-12-02 12:22:57

    Really? And you can PROVE that?

  • Realpolitik

    And you can PROVE that?
    Posted by bthewolf
    2009-12-02 12:26:13
    With the same proof you offer to its veracity.

  • NorthernCanuck

    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-12-02 12:22:57

    Do you believe this scenario is at all possible? If so, what would you do in such a scenario?

  • sabiticus

    I find the story questionable. That said, without having done anymore looking than that, I am not prepared to say more on the subject. It’s like the article that came out a few years back about Iran forcing Jews to wear Star of David badges, a la Nazi Germany. The story was questionable, but I didn’t dig too deep, so I didn’t dive right in on whether it was true or not. I am surprised (OK, I’m not really THAT surprised, as it is typical) that the Lefties here just flat out say it didn’t happen out of hand. Is this how the Left operates? Just dismisses anything they don’t like or agree with an effete wave of their hands? Experience tells us that yes, they do.

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    Posted by Robert_Ingersoll
    2009-12-02 12:24:40

    And again you have proof that source is not factual?

    PROVE the SOURCE WRONG! It’s all we ask.

  • Realpolitik

    It’s all we ask.
    Posted by bthewolf
    2009-12-02 12:33:04

    That you prove the source is accurate.

  • Mike_M

    “Wow, all the douchebag trolls on one thread. We’re so blessed…”

    Hey, they need something and there’s no Palin thread up yet. Obama just crushed their hopes and dreams for defeat last night.

    The failure of the health scam bill won’t be far behind as the embittered Congressional Dems start to scramble to save their seats next year now that opposition to the war has been shattered as a rallying point.

    As far as the topic? Security probing/CAIR fundraiser operation. These guys are all on watch lists now but somebody has noted the response and procedures of TSA. Expect the discrimination lawsuits to be filed shortly.

  • Robert_Ingersoll

    @bthewolf,

    What you have here is hearsay that it. One persons statement with no associated proof. Have a nice day. :)

  • Realpolitik

    Do you believe this scenario is at all possible? If so, what would you do in such a scenario?
    Posted by NorthernCanuck
    2009-12-02 12:29:06

    No.

  • http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-12-02 12:22:57

    A world where you have 15 sockpuppets registered on RWN.

    How is the food at the truck stop today? You wearing your cammie’s by chance?

  • NorthernCanuck

    Do you believe this scenario is at all possible? If so, what would you do in such a scenario?
    Posted by NorthernCanuck
    2009-12-02 12:29:06

    No.

    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-12-02 12:38:21

    Thanks for answering. You may be a nice person but you are certainly naive and easily led.

  • Realpolitik

    You may be a nice person but you are certainly naive and easily led.
    Posted by NorthernCanuck
    2009-12-02 12:41:55

    I’m not the one believing this guff.

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    Posted by Robert_Ingersoll
    2009-12-02 12:38:05

    And you have your OPINION that it is HEARSAY.

  • Realpolitik

    Posted by Dick_Nixon
    2009-12-02 12:39:46
    bleat bleat bleat

  • NorthernCanuck

    I’m not the one believing this guff.
    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-12-02 12:44:11

    I see a number of people being skeptical but seeing it as plausible. You’re the only one I see putting forth a definitive opinion; you believe it’s beyond the realm of possibility.
    That is naive, at best.

  • http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-12-02 12:48:38

    Thanks for playing, you nazi loving POS.

  • Mike_M

    http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/faa-to-investigate-cell-202143.html?printArticle=y

    Here’s corroboration of the story. The events and facts match even though the story has been polished up by the airline to look like a simple misunderstanding (there is no explanation for why the plane would be emptied, re-crewed, and people leaving in tears if it was a discussion over a cell phone).

    Fail again, libs.

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    Hey, Cav – ya got a BIG Texan covering your back?

    Why — are you a terrorist?

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    bleat bleat bleat
    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-12-02 12:48:38

    Yup that’s all you ever do, from now post that instead, it would give you more credibility, never-show.

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    Obama just crushed their hopes and dreams for defeat last night.

    No, he just told them they have to wait 18 months. Then again, to the “instant gratification” Leftist crowd, that probably does seem like a long time.

  • Realpolitik

    Posted by Mike_M
    2009-12-02 12:51:48

    LOL

    Yup – this sure is the same story. Exactly as posted on this thread. No difference whatsoever. You know, except for the ten other dressed-like-Arabs Arabs, and the porn videos, and the threats to crew, and the intervention of BIG Texans, and . . .

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    You know, except for the ten other dressed-like-Arabs Arabs

    “The 11 others in the 13-passenger group …”

  • http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

    Yup – this sure is the same story.

    You using three sockpuppets ruining threads. Every day. You at the wifi cafe today?

  • Realpolitik

    You at the wifi cafe today?
    Posted by Dick_Nixon
    2009-12-02 13:03:37
    bleat bleat bleat

  • MediumHeadBoy

    Mods, if you please?

  • Mike_M

    “You know, except for the ten other dressed-like-Arabs Arabs, and the porn videos, and the threats to crew, and the intervention of BIG Texans, and . . .”

    Yeah, which a PR spokesman for the airline would point out, right?

    “Fly AirTran…where you’ll experience agitated Muslims, porn, threats, and may be called upon to defend yourself and others!”

    Hey Real, did you know Sarah Palin took a pay cut, rode a bus, and had a baby?

  • Realpolitik

    Posted by Mike_M
    2009-12-02 13:08:48

    Hey, Mike, do you know your deflection shows you doubt the truth of this thread?

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-12-02 13:12:02

    Hey never-show, did you know you’re an idiot, and projecting your own deflections on Mike?

  • whats_up

    Posted by Mike_M
    2009-12-02 12:51:48

    Mike,

    That is not even close to the same story as presented her by Ms. Clouthier, seriously do you live in a fantasy world?

  • Mike_M

    “Hey, Mike, do you know your deflection shows you doubt the truth of this thread?”

    Deflection? I already beat you on the facts. Now I’m just ridiculing you for fun. See, that’s where Alinsky had it wrong. Ridicule by itself has little meaning, and can never be a real mover of public opinion. But beat someone in an argument then rub their face in it and they’re finished. Kind of like Dukakis in the tank.

    Bang.

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    Mike,

    That is not even close to the same story as presented her by Ms. Clouthier, seriously do you live in a fantasy world?
    Posted by whats_up
    2009-12-02 13:16:38

    It’s the scrubbed down, PC, cover OUR ASSES version. So yeah it’s the same story with a LOT of details missing, whitewashed, or suger-coated, get a clue.

  • D-Vega

    This is an interesting story. If its true, then definitely the passengers were within their rights. No one has the right to disturb an airflight in any way.

    I would need some sort of collaboration about the stereotpical muslim jihadi behavior. But I think that’s also besides the point. You have to follow the instructions of the crew at all times.

    If the “crazy muslim” behavior is true, then its quite a story. I’m sure if the plane was full someone else could corraborate.

  • Realpolitik

    I already beat you on the facts.
    Bang.
    Posted by Mike_M
    2009-12-02 13:22:26

    Not now and not ever, come to think about it. Bang, indeed.

    LOL

  • belacuse

    That is not even close to the same story as presented her by Ms. Clouthier, seriously do you live in a fantasy world?
    Posted by whats_up
    2009-12-02 13:16:38

    Why do you libtards never apply even an ounce of critical thinking to anything you post? Your knee jerk reaction to this eye witness account can be summed up with the, no doubt spectacular argument for liberal, “nuh-uh.” The story posted by Mike does in fact match in key details. However, and here is where you actually need to think for yourself a little, the story put out by the airline does not add up. Why would an entire aircrew be swapped out over the incident they described? Why would an aircrew member be in tears? And please, oh please tell me why another 12 passengers would jsut leave the plane for another flight???

    However, what is descibed in Clouthier’s post coincides with actions taken by previous terrorists or arabs trying to cash in on a frivolous lawsuit. It also makes sense logically. So which would you be more inclined to believe? If you follow logic and common sense, it seems obvious.

    That said, I don’t know if the op story is true or not, but I am certainly not going to blindly say, “nuh-uh” and dismiss it either.

  • BIG

    Hey, Cav – ya got a BIG Texan covering your back?
    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-12-02 12:12:04

    I’ve got his back.

  • Mike_M

    “The story posted by Mike does in fact match in key details.”

    I don’t discount the possibility that this guy embelished the details a bit…

    I hefted up my belt, and with Big Tex at my back said, “We’re a gonna throw you off this plane, mmboy.” Just as the reflection of an American flag shone in mine eye.”

    Yeah, whatever. But the key facts are not in dispute. This was some kind of organized Islamic hijinks, and was disturbing enough to cause the consequences listed in both articles. The libs are just terrified that the War on Terror is real, and that Obama just cancelled their membership in the 9/10 Club.

  • whats_up

    If the “crazy muslim” behavior is true, then its quite a story. I’m sure if the plane was full someone else could corraborate.

    Posted by D-Vega
    2009-12-02 13:28:36

    That is the clincher for me, there were 72 people on this flight, where is the collabortion, certianly the passenger sitting directly behind this incident doesnt remember it that way. However conservatives are pretty gullible right now.

  • whats_up

    This was some kind of organized Islamic hijinks,

    Posted by Mike_M
    2009-12-02 13:41:58

    Mike again you state this as fact when it is not, why do you feel the need to do this? Fearmongering is all you have left? Too bad Mike, too bad.

  • Mike_M

    “Mike again you state this as fact when it is not, why do you feel the need to do this?”

    Find the passenger manifest and prove me wrong.

  • D-Vega

    It doesn’t work that way, Mike, and you know it.

    I wouldn’t dismiss it either way, but one account is not proof.

  • Mike_M

    “It doesn’t work that way, Mike, and you know it.”

    You think I don’t know that your blather is based on wild speculation, paranoia, and denial instead of fact?

    A liberal examine the evidence? Inconceivable! Better to make baseless accusations and accuse everyone else of lying.

    You and the merry band here haven’t presented a single fact, counterargument, or alternate scenario other than “nuh-uh”! You’re not debating or even arguing anything. You guys are like the Monty Python Argument Clinic sketch…there’s not even an argument, just contradiction. Abuse is just down the hall…

  • Realpolitik

    Find the passenger manifest and prove me wrong.
    Posted by Mike_M
    2009-12-02 14:06:10

    And fly the plane and get me a coffee while you’re at it.

    LOL

  • BIG

    Stories like this usually take some time to come out. I remember the flying imans story out of Minniapolis a few years back and that took months to even hit the mainstream. By the time the facts are presented, those here questioning it will have moved on and will never acknowledge that it ever took place.

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    certianly the passenger sitting directly behind this incident doesnt remember it that way.
    Posted by whats_up
    2009-12-02 14:00:27

    And you have their account of this incident WHERE? Until you do: ‘However LIBERALS are pretty gullible right now.’ To paraphrase your own stupidity.

  • D-Vega

    I said clearly I’m not dismissing it either way, Mike. But the story as it is being told here seems wild. I’m saying if its true I would have to agree with you all, but this story is so bizarre I think, logically speaking, collaboration would definitely clinch it for me.

    Stop playing your “neener neener” games and remember what you once stood for here. It’s not up to anyone to prove your assertion but you. I could write something that says I was on the flight right now. Would you believe it? Of course not.

  • http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

    Posted by whats_up
    2009-12-02 14:03:23

    You got that proof asswipe of David Duke voting for Bush in 2004 YET?

    How long does it take you to log out and re log in under realpolitik?

  • Mike_M

    “I’m saying if its true I would have to agree with you all, but this story is so bizarre I think, logically speaking, collaboration would definitely clinch it for me.”

    The only points of the story that can even be questioned are the alleged Islamicism of the group and their pattern of behavior. Everything else this guy said matches up with the G-rated version released by the airline. And has been said before, even if everything “Tedd” says is a lie, *something* happened that warranted a flight cancellation, distressed passengers and crew, and a replacement of the pilot and co-pilot (not a trivial action). What was it?

    If you’re going to be an agnostic about it fine. Say so and be done with it. If you’re going to continue to deny and piss and moan and cry and whine and bellyache about it…start offering some of your own ideas or shut up.

  • Realpolitik

    . . . start offering some of your own ideas or shut up.
    Posted by Mike_M
    2009-12-02 14:55:15

    It’s a cwaaaaazy conservative fantasy with a hard-on.

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    It’s a cwaaaaazy conservative fantasy with a hard-on.
    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-12-02 15:01:05

    And yet YOU still have no PROOF of this assertion.

  • whats_up

    And you have their account of this incident WHERE? Until you do: ‘However LIBERALS are pretty gullible right now.’ To paraphrase your own stupidity.

    Posted by bthewolf
    2009-12-02 14:29:24

    From the nice link that Mike provided, here let me quote you the relevant parts:

    But the woman sitting behind the man said it wasn’t a phone at all, and feels the entire incident was the result of poor communication.

    “He was not talking on a cell phone, it was a camera,” said Nancy Deveikis of Marietta. “He was looking at pictures.”

    Do try and follow along Wolfie.

  • Realpolitik

    Do try and follow along Wolfie.
    Posted by whats_up
    2009-12-02 15:15:13

    Dream on about this wish – it ain’t going to happen.

  • D-Vega

    I was pretty clear about my take on it from the very beginning, Mike.

    The only points of the story that can even be questioned are the alleged Islamicism of the group and their pattern of behavior.

    Those are some pretty big points, considering the title of the entry is “Another Terrorist Dry Run”, dontcha think?

  • realpolitiki

    How long does it take you to log out and re log in under realpolitik?
    Posted by Dick_Nixon
    2009-12-02 14:44:29

    Actually Dick I use two computers at the same time. They are really close to each other at the library and I can use both at the same time…The librarian doesn’t complain because they have to allow really fat guys two use two seats…It works out so they leave me alone…

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    From the nice link that Mike provided, here let me quote you the relevant parts:

    But the woman sitting behind the man said it wasn’t a phone at all, and feels the entire incident was the result of poor communication.

    “He was not talking on a cell phone, it was a camera,” said Nancy Deveikis of Marietta. “He was looking at pictures.”

    Do try and follow along Wolfie.
    Posted by whats_up
    2009-12-02 15:15:13

    Well accept the ORGINAL story says there were 2 using phones and a couple looking at CAMERAS all of them in different sections of the plane. So SHE may not have seen a phone but OTHERS might have.

    PLEASE TRY TO FOLLOW ALONG, RETARD!!!

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    Dream on about this wish – it ain’t going to happen.
    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-12-02 15:17:34

    This from someone who’s ability to reason can be measured by his sub-zero IQ!!!!

  • whats_up

    Well accept the ORGINAL story says there were 2 using phones and a couple looking at CAMERAS all of them in different sections of the plane. So SHE may not have seen a phone but OTHERS might have.

    PLEASE TRY TO FOLLOW ALONG, RETARD!!!

    Posted by bthewolf
    2009-12-02 15:57:00

    That is not what you asked wolfie, you asked for others perspective, which Mike so gladly provided. Are you saying what this lady saw, who was sitting RIGHT BEHIND the man that was taken away, was wrong. Or do you just trust the guy who was sitting in 1st class, a long way from the back of the plane, because you like his fictional account better?

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    Stop playing your “neener neener” games and remember what you once stood for here.

    Seems to me he’s doing that quite well.

    Thus far you guys have presented zero alternate theories that would even begin to explain this incident. All you’ve done is jump up and down going “Nuh uh! You can’t prove that! You can’t prove that!”. You demand corroboration (which is spelled with two “r”s BTW, not two “l”s) but when corroboration is presented you ignore it and insist no such corroboration exists.

    Of course, you’re doing exactly what we’ve come to expect of you as well. You cop a morally superior attitude and make disingenuous claims of neutrality over and over and over and over again. If you really believed what you claim you wouldn’t have made more than one post on this thread. You would have let your original comment stand completely on its own until such time as more information came to light.

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    That is not what you asked wolfie, you asked for others perspective, which Mike so gladly provided. Are you saying what this lady saw, who was sitting RIGHT BEHIND the man that was taken away, was wrong. Or do you just trust the guy who was sitting in 1st class, a long way from the back of the plane, because you like his fictional account better?
    Posted by whats_up
    2009-12-02 16:04:29

    Are being intentionally obtuse or just plain stupid? There were 2 people on phones according to the original piece; 1 in first class, 1 in coach, TALKING TO EACH OTHER. In other seats there were people looking at cameras. So tell me which person was the witness in Mike’s article sitting behind? And DID SHE EVER SEE THE GUY WITH THE PHONE? Because the original poster got off his ass and acted, he saw more than than did the camera lady. SO WHO WAS WRONG, YOU, as usual. You’re the one who’s reading comprehension is lower than a 1st grade level.

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    Are you saying what this lady saw, who was sitting RIGHT BEHIND the man that was taken away, was wrong.

    Yes, he’s saying that this woman was wrong. So is the airline.

    You are capable of acknowledging that possibility, right Whats_up? That this one woman was, in fact, mistaken about what she saw? That perhaps her view of the incident, obscured as it was by the large airplane seat directly in front of her, was less than accurate?

    Think carefully about what you’re saying, Whats_up. Twelve passengers and the entire flight crew, including the pilot and copilot, refused to fly with these men on the plane and the entire crew had to be immediately replaced. One flight attendant was reduced to tears due to the way these men were acting. The official AirTran spokesman specifically said that the cause of this incident was a “safety reason”.

    You’re saying that all these people are completely wrong and this one woman is right.

  • whats_up

    Think carefully about what you’re saying, Whats_up. Twelve passengers and the entire flight crew, including the pilot and copilot, refused to fly with these men on the plane and the entire crew had to be immediately replaced. One flight attendant was reduced to tears due to the way these men were acting. The official AirTran spokesman specifically said that the cause of this incident was a “safety reason”.

    You’re saying that all these people are completely wrong and this one woman is right.

    Posted by mightysamurai
    2009-12-02 16:29:29

    Mighty,

    We dont know why the crew refused to fly, we dont know why 12 passengers transfered flights, however I do trust this ladies view of things rather than the first story based on simple logic. If 12 muslim men were acting the way they are acting, dont you think more of the 72 people on the plane would have been speaking out, dont you think that first mans story about 11 men walking around the cabin would have been verified, I havent seen another story say that have you? Dont you think the passengers right by the supposed men watching porn would have said something? You might just be the most gullible human being in history, I have a bridge to sell you, are you interested?

  • D-Vega

    I don’t know what you’re talking about, sam.

    What “alternate theory” are you looking for? The only facts that we have is what was laid out in the AJC article.

    The “islamic-behavior” has NOT be confirmed. We have simply one account, and we can’t even prove this person was on the plane.

    I have already spelled out for you that if this account is correct, than I agree with you. If this account is erroneous, I still agree that the airline was within their right to cancel or land under any circumstances where the flight is being disrupted.

    But the “crazy muslim” theory has not been confirmed, no matter how much you bitch and moan.

    I keep responding because people here assume the worst once any mention of a muslim occurs. That’s why.

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    You might just be the most gullible human being in history, I have a bridge to sell you, are you interested?
    Posted by whats_up
    2009-12-02 16:45:46

    And you have NO proof that HER story is the entire truth, but you’re more than willing to accept it as the be all end all, So you’re being intentionally naive, or just plain stupid.

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    I keep responding because people here assume the worst once any mention of a muslim occurs. That’s why.
    Posted by D-Vega
    2009-12-02 17:03:39

    Since more than 90% of terrorists worldwide are Muslim, and as much as 10% of the 1 billion Muslims actively support terror, I’ll take my chances that my being over cautious was justified. I’m more than happy to worry about a threat that is known and verifiable like Isalmic terror, vs the whole AGW fear-mongering which has no proof to justify caution.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    I’m noticing a trend where Realpolitik and Robert_Ingersoll always seem to post on the same threads around the same general time.

    It’s certainly not a coincidence.

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    We dont know why the crew refused to fly, we dont know why 12 passengers transfered flights

    But we know that they did. So why did they do it? If it was just the twelve passengers getting off, that would be one thing. But the entire flight crew along with them? That doesn’t just happen. They did it for a reason. They felt strongly that they did not want to be on the same airplane as these allegedly Muslim men.

    So the question you have to answer is why? Do you really, honestly believe that all these people chose to disembark the plane just because one guy would not give up his cell phone?

    I do trust this ladies view of things

    Why? Exactly why is she more credible than the flight attendants, the rest of the flight crew, and the official spokesperson sent by AirTran? Especially that last one. Are you saying that AirTran intentionally instructed their spokesperson to lie about what happened and claim there was a “safety reason” behind the incident, when “it was a simple miscommunication that got out of hand” would have been a much more innocent and customer-friendly explanation?

    If 12 muslim men were acting the way they are acting, dont you think more of the 72 people on the plane would have been speaking out,

    If a woman was stabbed in a convenience store, don’t you think the other shoppers would immediately stop to help her?

    http://www.nctimes.com/news/national/backpage/article_fc155177-d829-591b-80a0-965c8cb2b840.html

    If the Chinese military rolled up to stop a peaceful protest, don’t you think more than one man would have stood up to them?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man

    dont you think that first mans story about 11 men walking around the cabin would have been verified

    His story has been verified, child. The link provided by Mike_M backs up the key details of the above account. Several men, who did not speak English, boarded a plane. One of them refused to turn off his cell phone, there was a brief altercation, and ALL OF THEM were removed from the plane. When most of the men later got back on, several passengers and the entire flight crew refused to fly with them.

    One woman says it was “the result of poor communication”. But Christopher White, the official spokesperson for AirTran Airways, specifically said, quote, “Is there any safety or security reason to bring the plane back? Yes, there was a safety reason.”

    So, you choose to believe one woman over the flight attendants, the rest of the flight crew, the twelve passengers who disembarked, and the official spokesperson for the airline, all of whom say different. And you call this “simple logic”.

    Well I’d definitely agree that it’s “simple” but I’m not sure if I’d call it “logic”.

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    Dont you think the passengers right by the supposed men watching porn would have said something?

    Who says they didn’t?

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    I don’t know what you’re talking about, sam.

    Yes, I’ve noticed you often have trouble figuring out what other people are talking about. Why else would I find myself forced to lecture you so often on the meanings of simple English words?

    Something happened on this flight. Something serious enough to make the pilot take the plane back to the gate and compel twelve passengers and the entire flight crew to leave the plane. Something the official spokesperson for AirTran Airways described as a safety issue.

    So what happened? Give us an alternate explanation. I dare you.

    I keep responding because people here assume the worst once any mention of a muslim occurs. That’s why.

    Whatever you have to tell yourself, D-Vega.

  • D-Vega

    Something did, sam.

    I’m just not as eager to bite on the “crazy muslim” bait.

    Guess I’m just not as susceptible to fear-mongering. My bad.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    I keep responding because people here assume the worst once any mention of a muslim occurs. That’s why.
    Posted by D-Vega
    2009-12-02 17:03:39

    Yeah, airplanes being flown into buildings and military shootouts do have a tendency to generate concern.

    I know that if a Muslim was yelling “Allah Ackbar!” with you in the immediate area, you would have ran away first like George Costanza.

  • TheBaud

    I know that if a Muslim was yelling “Allah Ackbar!” with you in the immediate area, you would have ran away first like George Costanza.
    Posted by Kingfisher 2009-12-02 18:03:31

    I disagree, Kingfisher.

    If a Muslim in the immediate area of D-Vega and his family were to begin shouting “Allah Ackbar!”, D-Vega would revel in the joy of the diversity of the situation. He would marvel at the tolerance of some around him, and he would strongly condemn those that were frightened, angry, or that ran away from the scene.

    Then, after the bomb goes off and his family is dead and dying around him, D-Vega would be laying on the ground. And with his last breath, he would curse George W. Bush and the RightWing of American politics for causing the incident.

    In other words, he would be a brain-dead Liberal idiot… right to the very end.

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    I’m just not as eager to bite on the “crazy muslim” bait.

    You seem awfully eager to keep telling us about it, though.

    Why are you still here, D-Vega? Exactly how many times and in how many variations do you think you need to say “I don’t know for sure whether this is true or not”? Do you think if you don’t keep repeating, restating, and recapping your feelings on this issue that somehow we’ll forget? When you open this thread are your previous posts not showing up for some reason and you think you need to keep saying the same thing over and over again just to make absolutely sure that everyone knows exactly how you feel on this subject?

    Well on behalf of the entire RWN membership I’d just like to say:

    YES D-VEGA, WE ALL HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME.

    There. Done. Your opinion has been logged, recorded, and filed for future reference in a special titanium-plated file cabinet and any commenters who might be interested in your particular viewpoint(s) will be promptly and efficiently directed to it.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    YES D-VEGA, WE ALL HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME.

    Narcissists, like Vega and Obama, believe that the world is entitled to their continuous opinion, no matter how stupid they are.

    Do you think if you don’t keep repeating, restating, and recapping your feelings on this issue that somehow we’ll forget?

    Don’t worry Vega, we won’t forget. You’ve worked hard and, as a result, won the coveted title of “Official RWN Dumbass Moonbat.”

  • D-Vega

    Then, after the bomb goes off and his family is dead and dying around him, D-Vega would be laying on the ground. And with his last breath, he would curse George W. Bush and the RightWing of American politics for causing the incident.

    Go fuck yourself, Baud.

  • D-Vega

    YES D-VEGA, WE ALL HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME. There. Done. Your opinion has been logged, recorded, and filed for future reference in a special titanium-plated file cabinet and any commenters who might be interested in your particular viewpoint(s) will be promptly and efficiently directed to it.

    Thanks, sam. I appreciate the support. Now I will look to you to explain other issues to jackwads on this site. You can be my Vega-to-jackwad translator.

  • TheBaud

    Go fuck yourself, Baud.
    Posted by D-Vega 2009-12-03 11:12:57

    Very intelligent come-back D-Vega. Which one of your dick-sucking buddies help you with that?

  • D-Vega

    What are you doing here, Baud?

    Didn’t I tell you to go fuck yourself?

    Done already? That was quick.

  • TheBaud

    What are you doing here, Baud?

    Posted by D-Vega 2009-12-03 11:48:22

    Ooooo, D-Vega said it and everyone should quake in fear? Pound sand, you asshole!

    I have a few low tolerance today for Liberal Stupidity. And since that is all you and your dick sucking buddy whats_up have to offer, then you should expect to get called on it all day.

    Now, run away little bitch!

  • D-Vega

    You seem to have left yourself unsatisfied.

  • whats_up

    Of course he did Vega

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