Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will never get a fair trial in New York.

With all the Liberal judges and America-hating Liberals there to serve on the jury, we’ll be treated to every member of the Bush Administration on trial, as well as America’s military and Intelligence service. Khalid will get the best defence my tax money can buy, access to all our military secrets, and a host of Left-leaning Liberals all more than willing to hold him blamless for his actions.

And when this farce of a trial is over and the jury has apologized to him, Khalid will be flown home (at taxpayer expense) to a heros welcome and insider information on the next big attack!

Yeah, this is a spectacularly STUPID idea.

Ah yes more conservative predictions, KSM wont walk, he wont be found innocent. He will be found guilty, end of story.

Posted by whats_up
2009-11-13 10:34:01

you know KSM hates gay people, don’t you?

Posted by TheBaud
2009-11-13 10:40:16

Then perhaps conservatives should have followed the rule of law and not tortured the man, however he will still be found guilty, and will either spend the rest of his years behind bars or will be dead. And the dirty laundry that happened under Bush should be exposed so that this country NEVER repeats it.

“Then perhaps conservatives should have followed the rule of law and not tortured the man, however he will still be found guilty”

How do you (personally) reconcile those two statements? If KSM was tortured, how can you say he will be found guilty? Believe it or not, the justice system is designed to produce justice, not satisfy the whim of Obama.

Then perhaps conservatives should have followed the rule of law

Blah blah blah. Perhaps if liberals had not dropped the ball under Clinton 9-11 would not have happened. How does it feel to have that blood on YOUR hands? And waterboarding is not torture. Jumping 120 stories from a flaming WTC however, might qualify.

Posted by whats_up
2009-11-13 10:49:53

What law was broken?

Putting KSM into a civilian court means civilian court rules, like discovery. Putting America into the position of either giving an admitted terrorist full access to our intelligence, or withholding it and allowing him to walk.
Posted by TheBaud
2009-11-13 10:40:16

Good. At last some authentic American justice.

Good. At last some authentic American justice.
Posted by Realpolitik 2009-11-13 12:05:37

Authentic American Justice would include a short drop and a sudden stop.

This bastard should have every piece of information extracted from him using whatever legal method exist. He should them be buried in a pork-lined coffin, encased in concrete, and dropped into the deepest spot in the ocean… in the dead of night.

Seriously questioning this…

If KSM is tried in civilian Federal court, is he then protected by the constitution? If so, he should walk fairly easily and perhaps give our enemies the greatest propaganda boon since 9/11′s success.

Talk about emboldening our enemies, this farcical play will ensure another attack.

Umm. Warm and sticky.
Posted by Realassface
2009-11-13 12:07:07

No no, that’s your boyfriend’s semen.

What possible good could that serve?
Posted by mightysamurai 2009-11-13 12:52:40

It will be an opportunity for the Left to put George Bush on trial for crimes against humanity. They care nothing for KSM except for getting him out of Gitmo.

Liberals want this trial in a civilian court so that Cheney can be cross-examined; so that all of our intelligence assets can be exposed; so that Obama will have yet another opportunity to run America down to the world. Liberals have bene salivating for this day for a long time, and President Idiot has given it to them.

I really do wonder when one of those animals released from Gitmo perpetrate another 9/11 against America if they might have a different opinion of these actions? Maybe if someone close to them dies in the attack they might think it was a mistake?

Naw. Who am I kidding. They want to see as many dead Americans as possible.

Even the CIA inspector general admits that laws were broken

Show it to me. I want a quote from the CIA Inspector General specifically saying “Laws were broken” and the evidence corroborating his statement.

TheBaud, just try to remember: not every New Yorker is a NY Times worshipping Manhattanite. There’s a lot of guys from places like Brooklyn and Queens who lost friends and family on 9/11. So, please, hold off with the stereotypes. They undermine your argument.
Posted by Bill_Dalasio 2009-11-13 13:40:39

While that is undeniably true, Bill_Dalasio, what is also true is that you cannot swing a dead cat in New York and not hit an America-hating Liberal. The site of the trial was chosen for a reason, that being to make sure the KSM is not held accountable for his crimes. It would not surprise me if he were found guilty, sentenced to time served, and released.

But, to your point, it was not my intent to paint the freedom loving Americans in New York with such a broad brush. For that and to them, I apologize.

If we become like the terrorists they win, thankfully we havent.
Posted by whats_up 2009-11-13 13:31:20

You have already admitted that you want this trial to become an indictment of the Bush Administration. Do not pretend that the trial has anything to do with punishing KSM or that it is about finding the truth on 9/11. It is nothing but the Left’s vendetta aganist the Bush Administration.

You’ve chosen your side. May the next terrorist attack occur on your front porch!

We have even prosecuted people domestically for it…
Posted by whats_up 2009-11-13 13:54:12

Er..HARUMP!

Proof Please.

Well, well, hoping for a terrorist attack, traitor, why do you support the terrorists?
Posted by whats_up 2009-11-13 13:55:21

So now I’m a traitor? Fascinating, coming from the person that wants a terrorist’s trial to become a partisan witchhunt.

Well, well, hoping for a terrorist attack, traitor, why do you support the terrorists?
Posted by whats_up 2009-11-13 13:55:21

Sorry I missed the HUGE point.

whats_up, how does saying that there is going to be another terrorist attack mean I hope one will happen?

back to the topic, though…

is there any other way of looking at this situation other than as one which it is impossible for America to come out ahead? Either we give up our intelligence gathering secrets through discovery, or we let the mastermind of the most horrific terrorist attack in our history go free on technicalities…

It’s a catch 22 that ought to make every leftist happy as hell: There is no way America can win and every potential for us to be further vilified…

however he will still be found guilty, and will either spend the rest of his years behind bars or will be dead. -whats_up

Please tell me how he can be found guilty when no evidence can be presented due to the ways in which it was gleaned? I don’t see any way he can be prosecuted when evidence can be struck from the record based on its collection methods.

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-13 14:08:27

Still waiting on your answers to the questions put to you, whats_up.

lawful has nothing to do with covert…

Something can be completely lawful, but secret and in order to protect those secrets, we would have to let KSM go by not revealing incriminating information gathered against him. Ya know like in WWII when the Brits broke the Germans’ codes but couldn’t use them to protect against German air raids?

Really w_u you are pathetic to want to free KSM to merely play a partisan blame game with the former administration… You would rather our nation be dealt major propaganda defeats to score partisan points. You are pathetic and should be ashamed of yourself. You don’t deserve the freedoms granted you by the fluke of your birth location.

Posted by TheBaud
2009-11-13 13:46:16

Apology unnecessary. I understood what you were trying to say. I just don’t want you to undermine your own argument.

If we become like the terrorists they win

Says who? Based on what? This is an assertion I’ve heard repeated ad nauseum. Yet, oddly, I’ve never seen anyone offer up a line of reasoning to support it.

Posted by simulacre
2009-11-13 14:19:52

He wont be freed, really try to join reality. You forget that KSM went on Al-Jazera before he was captured and admitted to being the mastermind of the attack, that and the other information that was obtained through legal and non-coercive channels is more than enough to convict him.

You do know that baud wasn’t HOPING for anything, don’t you retard?
Posted by bthewolf
2009-11-13 13:58:28

Obviously you dont understand simple english: Here is the idiots post again.

You’ve chosen your side. May the next terrorist attack occur on your front porch!
Posted by TheBaud
2009-11-13 13:50:16

I would settle for them following our laws.
Posted by whats_up 2009-11-13 14:58:38

Still too much of a coward to answer our questions, I see.

And the did obey the law, you idiot. The trouble is that you and your Leftist friends changed the rules after the fact. Now you want our military personnel to treat every situation like it was a burglery.

KSM is not a citizen and is not due any rights other than those under the Geneva Convention for enemy combatants.

Another point not being mentioned here is that this trial would become a spectacle. Every terrorists scumbag on the planet will want to make their mark on NYC and try to bring a big “bang” to the show.

How much taxpayer dollars will it cost us to provide the added security for the prisoners, jury and the general public as the tensions will certainly rise from such a trial.

And what if KSM does walk? The streets will become ugly really quick. The angry mobs that Obama ana Pelosi were complaining about will look like a picnic compared to the upheval that will come from such an outcome.

his admission of guilt was to a news outlet…not a court of law. How many people try to confess to serial killer’s killing sprees for fame and notoriety? The evidentiary proof is what’s needed to successfully prosecute KSM and that evidence is what will be inadmissible or too revealing to be admitted in an open, civilian court of law.

KSM walking is a very real possibility -especially if the Obama administration believes they can spin the blame to fall on the previous administration and further use it to prosecute them.

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-13 15:10:50

Oh, and we are STILL awaiting proof that anyone has been prosecuted domestically for waterboarding.

you are hoping that a fellow American is killed, very sad, and un-American.
Posted by whats_up
2009-11-13 15:10:50

Strawman alert.

Well you’re the one encouraging them to attack by treating them kid gloves, and feel good platitudes, so why shouldn’t suffer? People should have to suffer for stupidity and your approach to ‘stopping’ violence is stupid.
Posted by bthewolf
2009-11-13 15:24:10

People should have to suffer for their stupidity, you and your family should be waterboarded 180 times and then you tell me if it amounts to torture or not. Cowards all, wishing harm on American citizens, you should all be rounded up as traitors.

you should all be rounded up as traitors.
Posted by whats_up
2009-11-13 15:34:37

Come get some crthns.

should be waterboarded 180 times

What is significant about this number? The answer, it is the number assigned by the MSM to the number of times KSM was supposedly waterboarded. In other words, a urban legend.

because by pouring water up somebody’s nose, we are the same as a murderous terrorist who pulls fingernails, breaks bones, cuts off appendages, and then feeds people to a paper shredder…can’t you see we’re all the same?

Point taken and agreed. But, I’m actually taking it a step further. Let’s pretend we live in some alternate universe where precisely that is true.

So what?

Where is it written and by what standard is it absolute that we must be morally superior to our enemies? And that if we aren’t, they’ve “won”? That simply doesn’t make any sense. If, after 9/11, we’d gone on a rampage and laid waste the entire Islamic world, I think you could make a case for moral equivalency. Would they then have “won”???

Perhaps you should read the CIA Inspector Generals report from 2004 then, unless of course you believe that the CIA was lying about it, after all it was he that pointed it out, I believe it is on page 102 or there close about.
Posted by whats_up
2009-11-13 16:21:27

Provide PROOF or go fuck yourself, I will not look up crap YOU claim, You made the claim, you have to support it.

LIVING “BY THE BOOK”…

OFF NEWSBUSTERS.ORG:
“The most relevant point is that here is a man (Hasan) doing exactly what it says in his “holy book”
Here he is following these things it says in his book:
“Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]…
until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.” (Surah 9:29)
“When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters [non-moslims] wherever you find them.
Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.” (Surah 9:5)
“Believers! Know that idolators [non-moslims] are unclean.” (Surah 9:28)
“If you fear treachery from any of your allies, you may fairly retaliate by breaking off
your treaty with them.” (Surah 9:12)
“Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” (Surah 5:51)
“Fight unbelievers [non-moslims] who are near to you.” (Surah 9:123)
“Unbelievers [non-moslims] are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell.” (Surah 41:14)
“The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Moslims make war against the Jews and
kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say:
‘Oh Moslem, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!’”
(Sahih Bukhari 004.52.176)
“Unbelievers [non-moslims] are those who say: ‘God is one of three.’ There is but one God.
If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished.”
(Surah 5:73)
“The Christians say: The Christ is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths;
they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them.” (Sura 9:30)
“The unbelievers [non-moslims] are the firewood of hell.” (Surah 72:15)
“When you meet the unbelievers [non-moslims], smite their necks, then when you have made
wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom,
until the war lays down its burdens.” (Surah 47:4)
“Prophet make war on the unbelievers [non-moslims] and the hypocrites [non-literalist moslims]
and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home.” (Surah 9:73)
THAT’s the relevant issue here.
Anyone who believes these things are true, is BY DEFINITION a threat to whatever country they reside in.
If islam were a small cult of a few 1000 people, they would be persona non-grata in ANY civilized country.
But since there’s a billion of them, some people think it’s politically expedient to allow people with such beliefs into America?”
=====
A post on newsbusters.org Nov 13, 2009 by notonmywatch
(how many centuries has islam had to remove or greatly modify these statements…well, how many?)
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

Posted by walrus313
2009-11-13 18:01:58

Shut up, troll. Nobody cares what you think.

Look a conservative who failed to respond to anything i wrote.

A lot of people above wrote about how New Yorkers wouldn’t care if the mastermind behind a terrorist attack went free i pointed out how rediculous that was. Instead of defending yours theirs or whoevers opinion you changed the subject. GG

Provide PROOF or go fuck yourself, I will not look up crap YOU claim, You made the claim, you have to support it.
Posted by bthewolf
2009-11-13 16:23:57

And I have provided it, the fact that you dont want to look, because then you would have to admit it tells me all I need to know about you. It truly must be sad to live in your world, you cant even face reality anymore, so sad.

Ah yes more conservative predictions, KSM wont walk, he wont be found innocent. He will be found guilty, end of story.
Posted by whats_up
2009-11-13 10:34:01

Would you prefer he walk, Idiotito?

You Leftists have it wrong. He’s NOT a “common criminal.” He’s a VERY Uncommon (former) Leader in a huge worldwide war machine dedicated to destroying our country using whatever means necessary.

The ONLY reason Obama is doing this idiotic idea – that, among other things, will imperil the lives of jurors, and give this creep a Media Circus Soapbox from which to inspire a generation of homegrown terror right here in America, just like Hasan just committed – is because he and Holder are hoping interrogation techniques, etc., will be publicized that will give EuroLefitstWingnuts and excuse to charge former Bush Administration officials with “crimes” at the Hague. Never mind that the European’s moral and legal authority to do any such thing is zilch, squat, nada except in their own minds… and never mind the fact that items such as waterboarding were not “law enforcement techniques,” but rather weapons in the War on Terror.

Meanwhile, I see in the news that Obama and his supporter, whats_up, just managed to get 13 people, and one unborn child killed down in Ft. Hood, all in the name of bashing Bush and pretending Jihad is just a law enforcement problem. How do you sleep with all that blood dripping off your hands, whats_up?

This you dumb son-of-a-bitch is why I don’t give a rats ASS about what they did to KSM to make him talk:

Posted by bthewolf
2009-11-14 13:17:56

Its good to know that conservatives dont think that the rules of our country should be followed, thanks for sharing that. Perhaps you’re right we shouldnt follow any rules. Perhaps we should just round up all conservatives who believe this was justified and lock you up, since you dont believe in following our own guidelines you should have no problem with this. Jesus but you are one dumb son of a bitch, it will take years to recover from the damage that your ilk has caused.

Oh look insults right off the bat, great way to get on our good side, MORON. And yes THE LIBERALS in NYC would rather see KSM go free IF it meant that Bush might be indict for SOMETHING. -bthewolf

Thats like me saying i think you want KSM to go free now to prove your point about this being a dumb idea, which I’m sure you would object to. Nobody in New York liberal or conservative wants to see a man responsible for the deaths of thousands of New Yorkers wants to see this guy go free.
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How retarded do you have to be to come to conservative website, start slinging insults, and then expect civility?? And how retared do you have to be realize that thousands of AMERICANS died in these attacks? How retarded do you have to be to see that people like Nancy Pelosi and Dennis Kucinich are the kinds of people who would let KSM go free to score political points.
-bthewolf

I wouldn’t expect civility on a conservative website ever… because conservatives are on it. Yes thousands of Americans died in these attacks but i think anyone with common sense could figure out that when 2 buildings in New York are attacked more people in New York die then say Dallas. Nobody would benefit from this guy going free. Do you really think those 2 or anyone in Obama’s administration would look better letting a terrorist unanimously hated by AMericans free? If yes then your retarded =)
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Well then you’d be FUCKING WRONG, and you’d be a fool. I wasn’t but others were. But then you’re too stupid to realize the attack effected ALL OF US. –bthewolf

Yeah others who are liberals from New York were there and we hate the fucking terrorist too, more so then you probably. What you fucks were saying is that people from one of the cities that was attacked wouldn’t care if the mastermind went free and thats fucking ridiculous. Yeah I’m sure it affected you so much more then it affected anyone from NY, PA or DC.
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Why don’t you back to licking your brothers balls. You’re nothing more than arrogant pissant wanna-be with no class and no clue. –bthewolf

You say to go back to licking my brothers balls and then you say i have no class. Way to be a hypocrite dumb mother fucker.

You say to go back to licking my brothers balls and then you say i have no class. Way to be a hypocrite dumb mother fucker.
Posted by walrus313
2009-11-14 22:52:43

UH I never claimed to have class, retard, so that doesn’t make me a hypocrit, it means I give what you give. You act like an asshole you’ll be treated like.

Otherwise the rest of post just the same bullshit you posted the first time and is as meaningless and now as it was before. But thanks for playing.

(What you don’t understand, Wally, is this effected me more than you’ll ever fucking know, and your bullshit just really pissed me off. You say you know the minds of EVERY LIBERAL in NYC, but you couldn’t be more fucking wrong, I’ve seen the hate for Bush and America in these fools and YES to destroy anything about Bush there are some who would sell out their country and security. That you fail to see that it is possible even likely is all the more telling of how naive you really are.)

“Its good to know that conservatives dont think that the rules of our country should be followed, thanks for sharing that. ”
Posted by whats_up
2009-11-14 19:08:13

The rules of our country give POW’s constitutional rights? Even Illegal Combatants that, under the laws of war, have always been subject to summary execution?

Who knew?

Anyway, coming from someone that thinks our Constitution is subordinate to the Hague, of all things, what a lark to hear you whine about the “rules of our country,” whats_up.

Oh, and did you wipe the blood of those victims off your filthy liberal terrorist-loving hands yet?

Many of us in Middle America are scratching our heads with the announcement that 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four of his alleged underlings will be tried in New York civilian courts. After watching and listening to President Obama and Attorney General Holder justify the decision, the reasonable person is left with a very simple question: “Why?”

It’s easy to get lost in all of the political spinning and back-peddling taking place to justify this decision, but there is only one question that needs to be answered to determine whether or not these individuals should be tried in civilian or military courts. That question is whether the bombing of the World Trade Center on September 11th, 2001 was an act of war or a crime. If the bombings were an act of war, then these individuals should be tried in military courts, period.

Unfortunately, President Obama and Attorney General Holder do not consider the bombing of Americans on U.S. soil an act of war, but a crime instead. This seems out of step with Middle America, which rejects the mental gymnastics required to arrive at the conclusion that the bombings were a crime and not an act of war.

Like many of the decisions made by President Obama, this one too is rooted in political expediency, rather than sound policymaking. President Obama has shamefully chosen to afford these terrorists all of the constitutional rights reserved to American citizens. These terrorists will now ironically and perversely cloak themselves in the very protections of the U.S. Constitution they are trying to destroy, and turn their trials into a media circus. They will portray themselves as victims of over aggressive interrogators and prosecutors, giving terrorists gasoline to pour on their fire of Islamic extremist hatred around the world as they continue to work to destroy this nation.

The techniques used by the CIA, FBI, and the Department of Homeland Security to keep this nation safe and bring these terrorists to justice will be in full display in civilian courts and in the media for the world to see, compromising the ability of these agencies to keep Americans safe now and for years to come.

President Obama and Attorney General Holder have placed New York in the crosshairs of the world’s highest profile assault on Islam, jeopardizing the safety of its residents and ripping the scabs off the wounds suffered by thousands of the survivors of loved ones lost on 9/11.

What really indicates that this is a political exercise and poor policy is the fact that these terrorists will be completely unable to get a fair trial in New York, since every person in this nation experienced the horror of 9/11 to one degree or another .

Further, the president and attorney general have given Islamic extremists exposure they couldn’t buy any where in the world—center stage in New York—to parade their message of hatred to the world.

With the past 12 months as its guide, Middle America is cynical about President Obama’s real reason for trying these terrorists in American civil courts. This administration has been looking into the rearview mirror for the past year, running against the failed policies of George Bush and Dick Cheney, rather than looking forward and putting solid policy solutions on the table for American families. In keeping with their modus operandi, President Obama wants these trials to be an indictment on George Bush and Dick Cheney, around whose neck he plans to hang the fruits of the spectacle that will be viewed by the world when these trials commence. 9/11 was an act of war and these terrorists should be tried in a military court, off of American soil, period.

A. Muser
http://americanmuser.wordpress.com/