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“Burn a Quran Day”- Why Americans Need to Take the High Road

Written By : Sharon

A minister in Gainesville Florida is calling for a “Burn a Quran Day” on September 11. He feels the gesture will be in honor of those who died on 9/11, he says, “of the fallen victims of 9/11 and to stand against the evil of Islam.” Terry Jones is the founder of Dove World Outreach Center, a church that has openly supported Westboro Baptist, a notoriously inflammatory group that protests military funerals. It seems this wouldn’t be their first attention-grabbing stunt, as they have already protested the election of a gay mayor with signs reading, “No homo mayor”, and sent their kids to school wearing “Islam is the devil” shirts.

This story has quickly caught national attention, with General David Petraeus denouncing the plans for burning the books, urging that such actions could endanger troops fighting the war in Afghanistan. Many evangelical groups have also come out to reject the “Burn the Quran Day”, pointing to the peaceful message of Christ. Despite the backlash, Jones and his group have not backed down with their plans, he told CNN, “We believe that Islam is of the devil, that it’s causing billions of people to go to hell, it is a deceptive religion, it is a violent religion and that is proven many, many times.

Needless to say, the conservative reactions to, “Burn the Quran Day” have been mixed. I, like many others, see this as extremely counter-productive to the ongoing struggle we have with Islamic extremism. Never have I been one to shy away from expressing my contempt for the tenets of Islam, in my opinion a religion that fundamentally subjugates women and propagates war, but I know when to draw the line. No doubt it is this group’s Constitutional right to burn the books, but in doing so they start another unnecessary fire when this country is already burning.

The debate over the Ground Zero Mosque has reached a fevered pitch, with a majority of Americans opposing the place of its construction. I think we are in fact winning the debate, and the desperate and diversionary tactics of the left will not work in the end. So why resort to our own desperate tactics? We have reason and truth on our side, we don’t need to stoop to the level of unabashed hatred with the historically negative act of burning books (after all this is what Hitler resorted to). We are above this as Americans, we are above Islam, and while I normally figuratively strike first, ask questions later, this time I am asking people to keep a steady brow, these are not reasonable people who will react reasonably to this, we are. Don’t endanger the lives of our troops any more than they are. Take the high road, this country will beat the spread of radical Islam on our own terms, and in due time.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ELCWV5ANDUEJ5D5PB35FL2LZ6Y Bildo

I have to agree with you, Sharon. We have to be better than them, always.

It sounds like this pastor is a typical attention whore, and this entire stunt only satisfies his own personal craving for food for his ego. It accomplishes nothing in our war against terrorism or militant Islam.
StanW

I have some questions about this incident:

1) Why is a 'church' with only 50 members getting worldwide publicity for this? Why is the media so enamoured with pushing this story?

2) The media also seems to be overly concerned with the possible hurt feeling of Muslims with this book burning? They have noticably less concern for the feelings of vetrans when talking about burning the American Flag.

3) Does General Petraeus think that there will be less Muslim attacks on American's if this book-burning is stopped?

Personally, I think this is a childish and deliberately provocative act. But Muslims are going to attack Americans with the same savagery as before this burning, and would simply blame their savergy on American imperalism or something equally as ridiculous.

This story is being hyped by the media to deliberately enflame Muslims. Shut up and let these people have their little bonfire and then slink back into their own ignorance.

UFKA_Smithwick

1) it fits with their narrative of all Christians/Americans being rabid “racists” (islam isn't a race, but whatever, that's the line).

2) Muslims may actually start killing folks because of this. It's ironic, it's only acceptable to protest moderates, never radicals because the radicals will actually respond.

3) I'm guessing he's just being politically minded.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

I think General Patraeus will have an easier time with the anti-insurgency strategy if the Afghani locals aren't so easily persuaded that America is a Koran-burning batch of loonies.

StanW

I think the good General is going to have a tough time regardless, and the Koran burning story is like the Koran flushing story… it will not matter if it true or not and will be used as an excuse for savages to be savage.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Footage of Americans burning Korans on national television will definitely make it a lot harder for the troops over there.

StanW

Do you seriously think the radical muslims over there could hate us any more?
Mr. EMT

Was pretty much my thought when I heard General Petraeus said it would endanger our troops.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

I think that even you know that the entire nation of Afghanistan is not made up of radical Muslims. However, if you give the regular guy reason to think that America hates Islam and wants to burn its religious texts, they are that much more likely to help harbor terrorists, help move materials around, refuse to talk to or help coalition soldiers, and delay any chance of an anti insurgency strategy working.

This is a stupid stunt that gives them an excuse to not help or trust American soldiers. It makes their job harder, and riskier. That's sort of obvious, I should think.
StanW

The obvious part is that this is a stupid stunt. I just have a problem with saying that the actions of a few dozens idiots in Florida (that no one would even know about if the media didn't keep hyping it) won;t have a marked effect.

People that hate us are going to invent reasons to hate us regardless. This is nothing. It is no different thjan them hating us because we make movies showing them as terrorists.

Sorry General, not buying it.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Guys, he's not saying “those Taliban will hate us more!” He's saying “the ordinary people in Afghanistan we're trying to convince that we're friends and trustworthy and not hateful or patronizing toward them so they'll work with us will have a harder time believing that.”
StanW

And again, I don't believe that for a second. As a person in Afghanistan, I woudl be more worried that some Anti-American moron would leak my name to the Taliban and get my family killed that I would about a tiny-little non-Christian group that are burning Korans.

Mountains and molehills here, CT!

baoxian

I could write this guy's speech for him. When the cameras show up and the cans of lighter fluid are ready to go, stop the whole thing and give a gracious speech about tolerance, forgiveness, freedom of speech, and understanding of feelings.

Tie his decision in with the Ground Zero mosque in a “can't we all just get along” manner, and condemn the Death to America Muslims that threatened violence for an event that didn't even happen. He could even throw in some legitimate digs against Islam and get away with it.

The onus of tolerance and cooperation would be piled back onto the Muslims, and Petraeus would get a nice prestige boost. More importantly, it would totally shatter the narrative pipeline that the MSM is assuredly working on as we speak. They're fully prepared to roll out a storyline portraying America as racist, bigoted, and hateful on the 9/11 anniversary, using this event as the centerpiece. Just seeing the liberals panic in newsrooms would be worth it.

http://www.thepiratescove.us/ William_Teach

I've been wondering if that is exactly what this guy is going to do.

If not, and they go through with it, then he and his congregation are ignoring true Christian tenants.

Mr. EMT

True, but I never heard this guy profess to be a true christian.

mightysamurai

That would be one of the greatest moments in the history of television.

Mahatma

Oh come on sammy. Everyone knows that moment was Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction. (Unless you are gay and appalled by the female anatomy).

mightysamurai

What are you, twelve? Go play with your action figures, little boy. The grownups are talking.

Sharonheretic

That would be damn brilliant.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

For a moment I hoped that this was what he had in mind, but after researching it more and watching him on CNN, no. He may be a fool and he may be a mainline theologically liberal Christian, he may be an attention seeking grandstander but he seems like a true believer when it comes to this topic.

UFKA_Smithwick

Douche. You aren't helping!
Lee

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”

- Matthew 7:21

Somehow, I can't see Jesus burning a Quran. However, I can see him putting Westboro Baptist and Dove World Outreach Center in the same category of the Pharisees in Matthew 23:25, 27.

Examine your own heart and remove the beam from your own eye before you remove the speck from another.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

I think that while freedom of speech and religion certainly gives them the right to burn a Koran, I'm such a bigot that I think they ought not do so because it is a disrespectful, dishonorable act. Sort of like building a mosque at ground zero.

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Yup that's what I see!

The Pastor being kinda stupid and insensitive, but it is his right!
CoolCzech

I'm sure D-Vega will just TOTALLY miss the analogy.

D-Vega

I got it, Czech. It's not that complicated.

However, this guy (no matter what you think of what he is expressing) has to be allowed to express it.

If anything, he should be ignored. I would agree the media is empowering him rather than dismissing him.

mightysamurai

Question for you D-Vega: Do you condemn this so-called “minister's” plan to burn a Koran? Yes or no?

D-Vega

Yes, I condemn it. Meaning I don't approve or support.

Is that different than the hysteria over a renovated community center with a muslim prayer space blocks from Ground Zero? Of course it is.

Because I don't consider it an outrage, or something that requires politicians to weigh in, or something that means “victory” over something else.

It's an exercise in hate speech. And one that is allowed and should be a protected right. Same as if the KKK wanted to march down Harlem streets.

If I had the power to stop it, I wouldn't. I would point and laugh, and then ignore.
StanW

“Is that different than the hysteria over a renovated community center with a muslim prayer space blocks from Ground Zero?”

And just a few days ago, it was a “House of Worship” according to you. but that was when you were whining about us being religious bigots for opposing it.

You have such trouble keeping your lies straight, Vega.
D-Vega

It is a house of worship. Though not strictly one.

And yes, there's been bigotry galore surrounding the issue.
StanW

So, it is a HOUSE of worship, but it only has a prayer SPACE?

I woudl have thought that you would be tired of looking stupid on this issue and would just stop talking, especially after you conceded the issue. Apparently your ego won't allow it!
D-Vega

Yes, Stan. It is a house of worship, among other things. Why is that such a hard concept to fathom?

Oh, I know why.
StanW

It is not a hard concept, Vega. We have been calling it a house of worship from the beginning. That is also known as A MOSQUE. It is you who has been calling it a Community Center… no a chapel… fo a prayer space… no a House of worship.

It is hardly my fault that you are unable to keep your latest lie straight.
D-Vega

Don't blame me if you cannot understand simple English because it's conflicts with your dogma.

It has a prayer space (which is being used as we speak right now) and it will be a community center when completed with other facilities OTHER than a prayer space.
StanW

A HOUSE of worship is more than a prayer SPACE, Vega. Hospitals have chapels, but no one calls them a house of worship… They are Hospitals. Houses of worship are churches, synagogs, and MOSQUES!
D-Vega

Yes, and technically this building could be a mosque, or not. It depends on your perspective. To me, it's a community center with a mosque on the top floor.

It's really irrelevant either way. What it's NOT is at Ground Zero.
StanW

Apparently it depends ion which words you choose to use, Vega. Is it a Community Center with no Mosque, or does it have a prayer space BUT NO MOSQUE, or is it a house of worship BUT NOT A MOSQUE, or is it a mosque?
D-Vega

I just explained that to you.
StanW

Yeah, you lied, AGAIN. Imagine my surprise.
Kingfisher

Now stan, go easy on Vega or you'll hurt the 'widdle girl's feewings!”

Nothing hurts a metrosexual wimp's feelings (Vega) as much as the truth.
Kingfisher

True definition of 'mosque:' “Islamic house of prayer and centers for Islamic learning”

Vega's definition: “Any definition that will help my argument at that moment in time. It's a prayer center….it's NOT a prayer center….it's not a prayer center but can be used for praying….it's a community center that can serve as a worship center….a worship center is not the same as a prayer center….blah blah blah blah…”

Your “it's not near ground zero” argument is falling flat as well. I read a recent article where NY city construction workers have all refused to build this new mosque. I guess you're smarter than all of them, huh? It MUST be Islamaphobia.

Vega, a house of worship for Muslims is called a “mosque.” You said it and if you refuse to believe, provide a definition (including a link) that backs up your claim.

It's amazing how stupid you are willing to become simply to support a liberal argument.
D-Vega

You haven't been paying attention again, Kingfisher. I am not going to give you a remedial post.
Kingfisher

Then maybe you should shut the fuck up before you REALLY make an ass of yourself.
Kingfisher

For somebody who, a few weeks ago, admitted that the mosque battle was lost, you certainly are spending a lot of time re-hashing the same tired old argument.

Interesting how, once again, the American people must compromise. Since the location has no religious significance to Muslims, I see no reason why the Muslim community will not compromise and relocate the mosque to another location. A simple Google search yielded three Muslim centers in Manhattan. I guess those locations somehow are shielded from the rapid Islamaphobia that exists in Manhattan, huh?

To liberals, tolerance is a one-way street.
D-Vega

I didn't say it was lost. I extended a concession as a show of good faith amidst the ugliness.

And good job, Sherlock, no one knew there were other muslim centers in NYC. This congregation has had one there since 1970. It's their growth which caused the new building being bought. They use the space right now.
Kingfisher

In other words, you admitted you lost. Thank you, dumbass.

If the congregation has been increasing then they could show good faith by building it somewhere else. They're only doing this to insult the 9/11 families.

How could the congregation be increasing if there is so much Islamophobia in Manhattan? I guess because there isn't any.
Kingfisher

Yes, and technically this building could be a mosque, or not. It depends on your perspective.

The dictionary disagrees with you. The George Orwell “Newspeak” dictionary doesn't count.

“It depends on your perspective.” That has got to be THE….DUMBEST….ANSWER….OF….ALL….TIME! ROFLMAO!

To me, it's a community center with a mosque on the top floor.

To you, Obama is the smartest guy of all time which shows your lack of intelligence. A mosque on the top floor would be a “mosque” since that would be the holiest place in the building.

I also know that you'll try to beat your chest and claim that you beat me on the court ruling on progressive taxation. Save your breath because I already acknowledged that you were correct. That's an old discussion, don't try to run away from your own stupidity.
TheDickNixon

mosque
Jane

Community Center. LOL
TheDickNixon

why are you muslims afraid of the word mosque?
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Racist
D-Vega

mosque
Jane

Cultural Center is what it is called by the developers. Trying to call it something else is your right. But it doesn't make it right.
StanW

Cordoba initiative is what it is called by it's developers. Does it hurt to be so stupid, jane?
Jane

Actually it's called Park 51 and a Community Center. Maybe you ARE just Dolt and not a liar.
StanW

It is only called that because real Americans found out what was significant about Cordoba and they tried to hide it.
Jane

Finally, you admit what its called. Well done. ONly took a few posts.
StanW

The developers still call it the Cordoba Initiative. You are a fool, jane!
StanW

Jane,
Here is an op-ed piece from the New York Times from Sept 7, 2010, written by Iman Feisal Abdul Rauf, the leader of the Ground Zero Mosque. Notice what he calles the project. Do you see the words Cordoba there? Do you?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/opinion/08mosque.html?_r=3&hp
TheDickNixon

mosque. Why did they change the name, dhimmi?
TheDickNixon

mosque
Trench_Raider

Yup.

And most of that “bigotry” (whatever that empty word means) is coming from the Muslims.

TR
Mr. EMT

Does bigot mean “I will kill you because you do not belong to my religion?”

Because lieberals say you are a bigot for being against people that will kill you for not sharing their religion…
D-Vega

TR, people all over this very site have called both muslims and Islam all kinds of nasty things.

True that Islamic bigotry would mean you would be beheaded or worse, but this issue has made a truly ugly side of Americans bubble to the surface like a festering pimple.

People are upset understandably, but they are embarrassing this country by trying to penalize these people for 9/11. Their mosque is not a victory symbol, nor will stopping them mean some sort of vengeance for the victims of 9/11.

Either we hold all of Islam responsible for 9/11, and be honest about it, or we say we don't. That every person is held accountable for their owns actions, and not their colleagues.

It's clear the rightwing seeks to indict the entire religion.
StanW

And that is 100% wrong. Vega. Your problem is that any time we criticize a Mulsim, or a group of Muslims for their actions, it is you and your ilk that leap to the incorrect conclusion that we mean all Muslims.

The Iman of the Cordoba House Mosque supports terrorist, wants sharia law in America, and thinks we deserved 9/11. when we talk abnout this Mosque being built on the graves of the victime of 9/11, we are talking about the Muslims that support building it, NOT ALL MUSLIMS.

So stop the lies and the accusations, and most of all the hypocrisy of accusing us of the very thing YOU are guilty of!
D-Vega

You are full of crap again, Stan. Don't lecture about lying and then post something that includes no fewer than 5 lies.

Ask Dick Nixon whether he means all muslims or not.

The Imam of this congregation didn't do any of those things.

And this building isn't being built on anyone's grave.

Try to be remotely honest if you are engaging in a debate.
StanW

The landing gear of the plane hit the building, Vega. Go you not think body parts made it that far as well. The Iman has said ALL THOSE THINGS and the proof has been posted here repeatedly. And you talk to Nixon about what he means about Muslims. All i said was true and you know it.
D-Vega

Landing gear hitting the building does not make it ground zero.

No body parts have been found that far away.

The Imam did not say those things.

Nixon thinks Islam is a pagan religion.

That's all.
StanW

Again with the standard Vega “Because I Said So” excuses.

Thanks for admitting defeat AGAIN!
TheDickNixon

You like talking about Nixon Vega or something? Nixon is on record and stands by his words. WTF are you going to do about it?
D-Vega

Nothing, Nixon. I know what you say.
Jane

Please provide a quote where the Imam said the united states “deserved 9/11″. A simple quote will do. And please, let's not provide a quote that needs to be “interpreted.” You said he said it. Show us. Liar!!
StanW

It's been posted here numerous times, Jane. I tire of provinding proof to idiots that won't believe it anyway.
Jane

******WRONG ANSWER******

Didn't think you'd be able to give proof. The Dolt Liar is Exposed.
TheDickNixon

Well, wtf are you going to do about it boy?
Jane

Good Question….I'll point out that Stan Lied and is a Dolt.
TheDickNixon

have fun. When your view matters here, someone call Nixon and tell him.
StanW

Sure, I can go look up the quote that has been posted here REPEATEDLY, Jane, just so you can say “Naa-aaah!”

What don;t you beat the holiday rush and be an idiot now.
Jane

Once again..******WRONG ANSWER******

It was never said. You lied. Twas ever thus.
D-Vega

He said U.S. policies were an accessory to the attacks.
Jane

Quote saying we “deserved” it, Please. Oh wait. That's right. You lied.
TheDickNixon

You mean the iman who said that Hamas was not a terrorist group?
Jane

Quote Please. And please, don't pull a “Stan”.
TheDickNixon

no shit, it's proven that the iman of the mosque would not agree with the statement that hamas is a terrorist group.

Take off your burqua and don't worry, we don't endorse honor killings here for talking with no muslims.
Jane

Quote please!! Where did the Imam say hamas “is not a terrorist group”? Again, let's not pull a “Stan”.
TheDickNixon

up top bitch.
TheDickNixon

up top bitch
D-Vega

He didn't say that. At worst he said he doesn't want to be in a position to be the enemy of anyone.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

True, he just refused to call them a terrorist group.
TheDickNixon

You have a question for Nixon Vega? All Al Quada members, Hamas members, and Hezbollah members are muslim.

Islam is a false, pagan religion. A 7th century death cult if you will.

And these people have the right to build their mosque on their property. Nixon is on record MULTIPLE TIMES stating this.

Nixon also stated that if it is proven that one red cent of the funding comes from Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, or any other terrorist supporting entity that the mosque should be burned to the ground and salt dumped on the dirt left beneath it.
D-Vega

Got it. Crystal. I knew it already. Thank you. Hope you are feeling well.
TheDickNixon

When Nixon states a position, that position doesn't change.

Being right means never having to change your story.

You changed your story on this subject Vega.
D-Vega

I try to learn, Nixon. I would like this thing to end gracefully and no one to get hurt.
Jane

For the cultural center to be a “victory” of any kind, it would have to be a subtle message, since it's not called that and they've denied this.

When was the last time muslims who supposedly wanted to hurt America do anything subtle.

If these folks were repsonsible for 9/11 or if OBL wanted to buy property in NY and build a mosque, I'd be with you. But these folks are just good americans trying to serve their community in the face of bigots who don't they they should be able to.
StanW

So calling it Cordoba House was too subtle for you?

Giove it a rest Jane. You've made your burkha, now LIVE IN IT!
TheDickNixon

Its a mosque.
Jane

It's a community Center.
TheDickNixon

vega said it was a mosque
Jane

I think Vega said it contains a prayer room, Mr. Dolt.
StanW

Vega said it was a House of Worship. what is a muslim house of Worship called, Jane?
Jane

Depends. If it's inside a community center or not. LOL….You make it too easy, Mr. Dolt.
StanW

A HOUSE of worship means the entire thing, moron.
D-Vega

Technically, it can be either. When I was in school, the muslim students assoc had a club room in the student life building. In that room they had a prayer space. Was it a mosque? I dunno. Muslims also prayed in empty classrooms. It depends on your perspective. And i think the word 'mosque' scares the shit out of people.
D-Vega

community center with a mosque?

mosque with a community center?

a center with a library, pool, auditorium, meeting space with a penthouse mosque?
D-Vega

mosque
TheDickNixon

you said mosque
D-Vega

mosque
TheDickNixon

mosque
D-Vega

mosque. why should we be afraid of that when there's one two blocks west of the same locations?

Does it scare people to say mosque? to feel there's one near them?
TheDickNixon

Nixon has no problem with a mosque being built there Vega. How many fucking times does Nixon have to say that?
D-Vega

I knew your position, Nixon. I am asking you those questions.
Kingfisher

It is a house of worship. Though not strictly one.

My church has a Fellowship hall so I guess it's not “strictly” a church.

Do you get dizzy with all the spinning?
D-Vega

It's 13 floors. Two of which are prayer space. Get your facts straight, spanky.
Kingfisher

If my facts aren't straight, dumbass, then why do you keep referring to the 'two of 13' floors, which confirms that its a mosque.

You've even admitted that so stop acting like a spoiled child.
HammerNH

'blocks' huh Vague-Ahh?

Try FEET. Less than 600 feet from the hole left by the towers.

Wanna see?

http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=1670897&forum_id=16

Even you should know 2 BUILDINGS (even with side streets around them) do not truly make 2 blocks.

As for the Victory Mosque, it follows centuries of barbaric Muslim tradition:

http://www.hudson-ny.org/1496/mosques-on-sacred-sites-of-defeated-enemies

Stop shilling for radical Islam D.
Tom_pinko_Delay

Even you should know 2 BUILDINGS (even with side streets around them) do not truly make 2 blocks.

Wow, that's some of the most twisted logic I've seen on this site in a while. You are going to redefine what a city block is? Bill Clinton would be proud of you.
StanW

After the way your side parses words (IS at Ground Zero, no it isn't), you should stay quite.
D-Vega

No, I think everyone who is not exploiting this got it right. It's not at Ground Zero.
StanW

No matter how often you say that, vega, it will NEVER be true.
D-Vega

Nice comeback, Stan.

Luckily I have actual facts and geography on my side.

This location is not at Ground Zero. Period.

Call this building what you will. It's your right to lie, too.
StanW

Keep it up, Vega. You look more pathetic and desparate with every word you type.
Jane

Actually, he looks like he always looks when you try to dispute him. He looks like the teacher and you look like the student….who's dog ate their homework. Got that quote yet??? LOL
Mr. EMT

Does anyone here think Jack's statement kind of implies a fantasy she has with Vag being her Teacher?
D-Vega

Seems like only to you.
Mr. EMT

Yet it is called, the Ground Zero Mosque.
Random coincedence huh?
Wonder how come that is.
Guess because pretty much everyone on both sides see it for what it is despite how much libtards try to obfusgate.
Its a “Ground Zero Bin Laden 9/11 Victory Mosque”
D-Vega

That's a lie.
HammerNH

Yes Vague-ahh, I have been to Manhattan, many times.

Tell you what girls… go to midtown and walk 600 feet – see how many streets you cross.

And as the photo shows Vague-ahh, the street to the Victory Mosque site does not need 'one block east' to get there.

The CONCEPT of a city block has an image of some length, and normally includes more than 1 building of +/-250 feet (because the streets have width too)

To use these tiny 'blocks' as a frame of reference is deliberate obfuscation.

How about this?

The proposed Victory Mosque is approx one-third the distance to the top of the North Tower (was 1728 ft high) away from that Tower's hole.

That put the coat factory in the 'debris field' of both towers.

Debris which included the remains of 2700 innocent Americans, and the landing gear of one plane.

No way to know if the little 6 year girl trying to get to Disney World with her grandmother was part of the 'debris' that hit that site.

But don't let that thought sway you from supporting radical Islam and their Victory Mosque.

I noticed neither of you Marxists commented on the centuries long tradition of building mosques on scenes where infidels have been killed and defeated.
D-Vega

Are you from or ever been to New York, sparky?

600 ft is TWO BLOCKS. And this building is one block east, two blocks north.

Try to mapquest it if you can't keep up.
percivalcreek

Is that different than the hysteria over a renovated community center with a muslim prayer space blocks from Ground Zero? Of course it is.

No. It isn't.

Both cases boil down to somebody or somebodies having the Constitutional right to do something. The question in both cases is, should they? Are their actions taking into consideration the insensitivity of those who are opposed to such action.

But I'm not surprised you see two very similar situations as 'different'. Seeing them as the same would require you to admit the 'glorified prayer room' opponents are right all along.
percivalcreek

Are their actions taking into consideration the sensitivity of those who are opposed to such action.
D-Vega

That same kind of “sensitivity” was the same thing that kept blacks from moving into certain neighborhoods.
Kingfisher

But you kept re-electing those Democrats who deliberately kept blacks out so its your own fault.
D-Vega

Actually, Park51 is a more serious issue, because it's an actual building and it is near Ground Zero, the site of an attack on the U.S. by muslims.

This other thing is simply a stupid stunt.

In both cases, they have the right. And in both cases, no one should judge them, they should just leave them be.

“Should” is irrelevant, as that changes according to the person.

If someone wants to find other space for Park 51 nearby (within blocks) for $5 million, that can be built according to zoning, then they should do so. Good luck in lower Manhattan.
billdalasio

If someone wants to find other space for Park 51 nearby (within blocks) for $5 million, that can be built according to zoning, then they should do so. Good luck in lower Manhattan.

Actually Governor Patterson did just that. His offer was rejected.
D-Vega

No, he didn't. He offered no property within blocks. He said he would make an attempt to find state property somewhere.
billdalasio

Vega,

Why is “within blocks” so particularly essential. As you yourself have pointed out (ad nauseum) there is already a mosque within blocks of the proposed site.
Jane

Feeeelings. Let's respect their feeeeeeelings. Why should they. No one asks the developers of the cultural center if they want a church or chrisitian community center nearby. You know why? Bigots don't concern themselves with what's really right. They demand others sacrafice for their own limited view of the world.
Mr. EMT

Nailed yourself pretty good with that statement, jackass.
mightysamurai

Yes, I condemn it. Meaning I don't approve or support.

So you're saying you're indifferent to it? You don't care either way?

You're deliberately avoiding the issue. Is it okay, morally and ethically, for someone to publicly burn a copy of someone else's holy book? If you saw someone doing that in front of you, would you be offended? Would you tell him it's wrong to be so disrespectful?

Of course you would.

THAT is why you are a hypocrite, D-Vega. You see no problem with offending 60% of America by building a mosque within the debris field of 9/11, yet if someone were to offend muslims by publicly burning a Koran you have a big problem with that. You think it shouldn't be done, even though you acknowledge that they have a right to do it.

Interesting how when we on the right make this argument, we're accused of “bigotry” and “exploiting the issue”. But when you make the exact same argument you have total moral authority.
Jane

It's just a book! Who Cares. Like the Community Center. It's just a community center. Who Cares?
TheDickNixon

mosque
Mr. EMT

Careful jackass, saying the Quran is “just a book” to a muslim is a bigoted view that a lot of muslims would happily gangrape you before stoning you to death.
mightysamurai

If you really believed that then you would happily support moving the Cordoba Victory Mosque to another location. After all, if you don't really care, then why fight so hard to get it built there?
D-Vega

No, mighty. The koran burning is a stunt. It should be ignored.

Like I said, the mosque is a different thing, and more serious, for both sides of the issue. They really shouldn't be compared. I don't see too many people supporting this guy. I am glad to see someone on this blog have to balls to say something about it.

If someone was burning any holy book in front of me I would think it's just stupid.
mightysamurai

Like I said, the mosque is a different thing

Because you say so.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

I call upon him to not do this, and suspect this “church” is more about publicity and the money they'll make (and books Jones will sell) than any noble goals of fighting Islamic repression.

D-Vega

Yes, CT. That's why, like Fr*d Ph*lps, he should be ignored.
StanW

But you don't want to ignore Phelps, Vega. You want his knees broken. Very progressive and tolerant of you.
D-Vega

I wouldn't say want. I would say that's what he deserves when he shows up at someone's funeral.

But if everyone ignored him, he would just fade away.

If someone broke his legs, though, they could nip it in the bud.
StanW

Oh, so it is your position that Phelps should have his legs broken for his actions. It is always funny how quickly you change your tune on things, Vega.

People ignored Phelps when he picketed gay funerals, so he upped the ante to military personnel. No, the trolls on this board have proven beyond doubt that idiots and morons DO NOT go away when ignored.

BTW, isn't is about time for you to run away…AGAIN!?
D-Vega

You are again not making sense, Stan. I am always very clear in my positions.
StanW

You have lies about this building from day one Vega. The only [position you have is kissing the ass of whatever Liberals tell you!
D-Vega

If you are going to be boorish, then I'll leave you to wallow in your misery.
StanW

Yep, I was right. It IS time for you to run away again.

Until next time, Vega!
D-Vega

It is 11pm.

Let me know if you need further clarification on my Ph*lps position.

He should be ignored, but if someone broke his legs, he would be deserving of it.

Again, let me know if you don't understand that.
StanW

I understand that you are a two-faced hypocrite, Vega. You preach tolerance and understanding of Muslims, SOMWE of who want us all dead and are glad we were attacked. yet you have an American that says something that boils your blood and you advocate having his legs broken.

So being a tolerant Liberal is onkly a sometimes thing for you and occasionally, your true feelings come out.

What's not to understand.
D-Vega

Some expressions are provocations where violence is justified. That's reality.
StanW

Like Building a Mosque at Ground Zero, Vega?
D-Vega

Violence? No.

And it's not at Ground Zero.
StanW

Oh, so violence is OK WHEN YOU SAY IT IS, but not when other say it is.

There's that famous Vega Double Standard again.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

I wouldn't mind that happening :/

UFKA_Smithwick

“However, this guy (no matter what you think of what he is expressing) has to be allowed to express it. “

Interesting, so you think he's being a jerk (or whatever adjective you prefer) and should not do this, but has every right to do so?

I never knew you were such a racist.

That is the term for such people right? I didn't use to think so but apparently that's what it means judging by the response to the 9/11 mosque protests.

huckupchuck

Coming to this thread late, but I just had to point something out to you, C_T. Your analogy doesn't hold. Surely even you have to admit that building a mosque at ground zero and burning a Koran are two very different kinds of acts. Yes, each has the right to their own freedom of expression; but it cannot be denied that one (the ground zero mosque) is an act of building/creating a place of worship and a community center, whereas the other (the Koran burning) is an intentional act of destruction, debasement, and violence. Let me try to explain it another way. Presumably your opposition to the ground zero mosque is not really the construction of the mosque itself, but rather its location. So if the mosque were to be built five blocks away, or a mile away, or ten miles away, or at whatever distance assuages your sensibilities, you would no longer oppose the effort. However, I would venture to say that it doesn't matter where the Koran burning takes place, you would still find it offensive. That tells me that what offends your sensibilities in each case is very different. They are not parallel, equivalent kinds of “disrespectful, dishonorable acts.” In one case it's the location of the act that bothers you, not the act itself. In the other case, it is the act itself that bothers you, irrespective of location. A more appropriate analogy would be to compare an intentional act of burning the Koran by radical fringe Christian fundamentalists by the intentional act of burning the Bible by radical fringe Islamic fundamentalists. Muslims building a mosque near to ground zero with the expressed intent to foster greater harmony between Muslims and other faiths in the US is quite different than Muslims burning bibles near to ground zero (or really any place in the U.S.) as an act of intentional destruction, debasement, and violence against Christianity.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

All analogies have weaknesses, I was more interested in pointing out the consistency between people's opposition than the acts themselves. Its not bigotry to oppose either one, its an appeal to respect and honor.

Martha

Flagged for threadjacking. This thread isn't about Glenn Beck.
President Friedman

Plus, in an information based society, nothing ever backlashes against your cause quite like burning books. I can think of little else that would gain more culture-wide sympathy for more Muslims than for this putrid idea to actually grow wings.

Tom_pinko_Delay

Nothing says “desperate cry for attention” like a good ol fashioned book burning.

Mr. EMT

Or building a place to celebrate the deaths of three thousand people huh.

D-Vega

Good thing no one is doing that. People are lying and exploiting those people's death, though.

StanW

Yes they are Vega. We call them MUSLIMS!
D-Vega

What? Are you saying all muslims, Stan?
StanW

NO, I did not say all Muslims. we are talking abiout only thiose that are lying and exploiting Ground Zero. That is NOT all Muslims!
Jane

Your true colors got out Mr. Dolt.
StanW

Shut up!
TheDickNixon

What religion were the 19 ?
Mr. EMT

Stan has been pretty forthright with his “true colors” the entire time.
You, however jackass, have not been.
You profess to be anti bigot, while taking a bigoted stance.
Pretty amusing for anyone with a lick of common sense, which you are totally lacking.
TheDickNixon

all 19 were what religion vega? Methodist? INCORRECT. Catholic? INCORRECT.

Nixon takes muslims for $5000 Alex.
Jane

There's the bigoty we all love from Mr. Dolt.
StanW

What you call bigotry, real Americans call TRUTH!
Jane

Ok, Mr. “All muslims are”….
StanW

Never said that, stop your lies!
TheDickNixon

all members of hamas, hezbollah, and al QUada are of what religion?
Mr. EMT

Sorry, earlier in your posts you made bigotted comments about christians.
You are a bigot yourself, trying to preach against bigotry.
Makes you a sanctimonious hypocrite and all around dumbass.
Kingfisher

Which is why we're opposing the mosque. Thank you for finally seeing it as real Americans see it.

UFKA_Smithwick

It is a fun double standard.

A Koran burning in response to 9/11 is a “desperate cry for attention” that maligns all Christians (even though the vast majority disapprove).

Whereas building a Mosque to celebrate 9/11 is cause for rejoicing.

Jane

Got any proof they want to “celebrate” 9/11 with the Community Center?……
……….
………
No?
Didn't think so.
More RightWingLies.
Mr. EMT

Exactly who do you think is going to be cheering moron?
You think for a minute the islamist extremists wont be?
Excuse me, sorry for labeling them as extremists since as obamao and their imams have stated, islam has no extremists.
UFKA_Smithwick

Only the complete insensitivity of putting it there, and their insistence that it never be moved. An almost fanatical demand to keep it within eyesight of the WTC ruins.

Like the Koran burners they are assholes being deliberately provocative to cause offense and gain attention/money, and both are within their rights to do so.

Mahatma

Better put a bandaid on that spin EMpTy.

TheDickNixon

quotes again

CoolCzech

What if the church first wraps the Korans in American flags? THEN will MSNBC be OK with it?
mightysamurai

Anybody care what this troll thinks? No? Okay, just thought I'd check.

Proud Infidel

She's just another juvenile dropout that gets her kicks from irking other people.

Trench_Raider

Just a quick note wince you are a fairlyy new member of the site. (you started posting arond the time, or a bit before, the change to Disqus, right?)

“Martha” is not a she. “Martha” used to post under the name “Frankie” and claimed to be a young homosexual man. In my opinion as this was his initial apearance, that bio is most likely to be the closest to the truth. Likewise he used to post under the now defunct account of “Realpolitik” who also claimed to be male. His current net.persona of a female in her 50s is highly unlikely as web trolls are rarely either female or that old. Likewise his writing stye is that of a much younger person and he's been known to quietly drop references to “4chan memes” in his post.

I'd love to meet the little ba—-d in person, but my best guess at this point is that he's a young homosexual “man” in his early '20s.

TR

Mr. EMT

Oeidpus issues maximus

Martha

Rex, boy, Rex.
Mr. EMT

Whatever nancy boy.
You certainly caught the reference that you own.

Martha

Trenchie, I know you are a troll, but who am I?

After all this time and you 'know' exactly squat about me. So much for your vaunted investigative powers. LOL

Still want to meet me, eh? Maybe you and stan can get together and . . .

StanW

Trench lives pretty close to me, Martha. Come on down and we'll both greet you… TEXAS STYLE!
Mr. EMT

Im just a little ways down the road from you too.
I'll bring a bandaid?
StanW

Bring several. I would not want this idiot's blood to pollute the fine state of Texas!
Martha

LOL. Get the three of you together and maybe replace a porch bulb. But, ole stan, he just doesn't have the guts to back up his invitation. Go figure.

mightysamurai

This story has quickly caught national attention, with General David Petraeus denouncing the plans for burning the books, urging that such actions could endanger troops fighting the war in Afghanistan.

I doubt there'll be any appreciable increase in danger to the troops. Terrorists are already more than willing to saw the heads off of captured troops. I doubt there's anything we could do to make them hate us any more than that.

That said, I agree that this is a stupid idea. There's a difference between drawing a satirical cartoon of Muhammad and giving a big fat middle finger to muslims, which is what this really is.

That so-called “minister” should be ashamed of himself.

Mr. EMT

I don't see the difference here.
Both are disrespectful to islam and both will earn you a death threat or beheading if they get their hands on you.

mightysamurai

One is social commentary. The other is a big “Fuck you!” sign.

UFKA_Smithwick

If some Americans utilizing their free speech means that many Muslims will become incensed and kill other Americans doesn't that prove our whole point?

By saying this the WH is admitting that these attacks are religious in nature, rather than political and that muslims are more prone to violence based on their religion than other faiths.

In other words they have just admitted the very things they will vehemently deny anywhere else.
Huron Voyager

Amusing that you think you know better than General Petraeus.

How many years have you spent in Iraq and Afghanistan?

StanW

You mean General Betray-Us. At least that's what you called him when he wasn't saying what you wanted him to say.

Huron Voyager

When did I call him that?

StanW

You on the Left, Huron_Stupidity. Do I have to explain EVERYTHING to you?
Huron Voyager

You are aware that I am a fiscal conservative, yes?

FUCKING JACKASS.

JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DISAGREE WITH YOU ON SOMETHING, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT. BUNCH OF MOTHERFUCKING RETARDS!
StanW

And Huron Stupidity has now officially blow his mind, what little of it there was.
StanW

And you are as conservative as i am communist, idiot!
TheDickNixon

your caps lock is on.
TheDickNixon

Your kind did. You haven't condemned the statement.
Huron Voyager

FUCKING JACKASS.

JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DISAGREE WITH YOU ON SOMETHING, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT. BUNCH OF MOTHERFUCKING RETARDS!
TheDickNixon

now now, enough with your little foot stomping tantrums. And please, grow up. All caps is so 2004.
mightysamurai

Shh. Use your indoor voice.
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/OZBTYQK5MN5SKP6FA6KK4TJOQ4 MichaelAlan

Wow, you are mentally unstable. If a post can set you off like this, imagine how you must be in person! But then again, with the internet to protect you, you are probably a big wuss in person. Probably can't even make eye contact.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

You really should get grip on that self loathing, you're not a fucking jackass, an idiot maybe, but not jackass. The retard part is fairly accurate description of yourslef, but motherfucking would imply incest, which may explain a lot of your issues.

I'd recommend seeking help, I'm sure the Canukistani Health Care System and other social/welfare programs, can get you out of mommies basement, into treatment, and down the road to recovery.

StanW

From the Washington Post…

“The White House says an American church’s threat to burn copies of the Muslim holy book could endanger U.S. troops serving overseas, and the State Department denounced the plan as “un-American.””

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/07/AR2010090703669.html

So now Obama thinks Free Speech is un-American!

UFKA_Smithwick

Funny how quickly they bust out the “unamerican” schtick when they're in power considering how angry they get at any such mention when they are out of power.
Jane

By this uncontrolled vomiting of ideas, burning a flag is All-American. Interesting that you would give it that kind of intepretation, Mr. Dolt.

StanW

Burning an American Flag IS un-American! Thanks for noticing.

Jane

At least you didn't dispute your vomitory logic.

StanW

So burning a Koran is bad bacuse it might inflame a muslim, but burning an American flag is fine, even though it inflames Real Americans.

You are an idiot!
TheDickNixon

has someone died and given you their credibility? No offense, you have none here.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/OZBTYQK5MN5SKP6FA6KK4TJOQ4 MichaelAlan

To a liberal, it's okay to burn the US Flag but not a Quran.
To a liberal, it's okay to limit the right to bear arms, but not the limit the right to build a mosque anywhere you please.
To a liberal, it's okay to increase taxes, but not decrease spending.
To a liberal, it's okay to lie and cheat, if GW did it.
It goes on and on, but you get the drift.

Rachelle

Why should the Koran be treated with respect when the American flag is burnt and abused and a crucifix is dipped in urine as part of an art exhibit?

The Koran should be burned to get breathing room to discuss Islam without fear or fetters.

http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

Although I don't think the minister should burn a Qur'an on 9/11, I just have to laugh at the Liberals I've seen who are outraged over this. Weren't the same people screaming and demonstrating in favor of “religious tolerance” and “First Amendment rights” when the topic at hand was the Ground Zero mosque just a week or so ago?
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ELCWV5ANDUEJ5D5PB35FL2LZ6Y Bildo

I bet you're still giggling over that one, Martha.

Too bad that you're the only one that doesn't get the joke.

Martha

Yup.

Trench_Raider

I have some real issues with Islam and view it as an age of enemy of Western civilization. But this action is just juvenile and serves no real purpose. It's ok to joke about burning Qurans, but to actually go out and organize and “event” to do so is quite another thing.

Muslims have a rediculously thin skin when it comes to percieved slights (yet another negative influence that comes from the middle eastern arab cultures that spawned islam) and it's admittedly satisfying to “tweek” them. But this is senseless.

This group's affiliation of sorts with Westboro Baptist tells you much you need to know and should think about these clowns.

TR

Mr. EMT

I agree about it being juvinile, but i am looking at it as a teachable moment.
For how many years have we sat in silence while leftards burn our flags our bibles and tell us to turn the other cheek and take the high road?

Sometimes to communicate you have to speak the other person's language and get down to their level.

Martha

Er, it's the Christ who tells you to turn the other cheek. Read that Bible before you burn it.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

So when you're all for burning flags and personally attack people here with vile language that's you doing.. what?
StanW

And who is it that burns and desecrates Bibles? Why, that would be the Muslims!

BTW, still haven't received the e-mail from you. What's the matter, martha/ Too scared to post your e-mail address… LIKE I DID?
Mr. EMT

Well, I'll tell you the truth.
If you slap my face, and the only thing hurt is my pride. I generally do turn the other cheek, unless I'm feeling ornery and want to see if you can take what you dish out. See, if I think you are doing it to be a bully, I will push you back and teach you manners.
However, God help you if I believe you are trying to hurt something other than my personal pride.
TheDickNixon

yet you are ok with murdering the unborn. curious

Huron Voyager

A fetus is not a human.
StanW

Then what is it?
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Prove it, using scientific terms and measurement. Come with plausible and valid definition that proves a fetus is not human. And we are talking the specific fetus as developed by the fertilization of a human egg with human sperm.
TheDickNixon

is it a cop Huron?
Huron Voyager

My concerns are being treated seriously by the OPP.
TheDickNixon

Who? The mental health police? Bet they take your case extremely seriously.

Been a month Huron.

Now you run along and play with your “Canadian soldier”

Kingfisher

You really have no clue what that parable means, don't you?

Considering you hate Jesus, I'm not surprised you don't understand.
Kingfisher

Jesus also opposes homosexual marriage yet you seem to ignore that part.

Huron Voyager

Jesus wanted love for all, why would he oppose marriage between two people?
StanW

Between a man and a women, YES.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Because homosexuality is not natural, and does not have anything to do with his message of 'go forth and multiply'.
Huron Voyager

If they are born homosexual, it is natural.

Homosexuality exists in all species, jackass, so it is clearly natural.
TheDickNixon

Its a lifestyle choice. Flagged for lying. Again.
Huron Voyager

Do you deny that homosexuality exists in other species?

In a civilized country, you'd be locked up for hate speech.
Ironhawk

And the mask comes off
TheDickNixon

in the third world, ran by a strictly adhering islamic theocracy, you'd be stoned.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Yes, I do deny, as I explained above it's only an act of dominance, and not for pleasure or love. Homosexuality is at least 90% choice with small factors of genetic and some enviromental influences. But it is not a natural act according to any known biology, zoology, genetics, or physiology.

In a civilized country, you'd be aware that all speech is free, and hate speech laws would not be a legal way to suppress ideas that make you uncomfortable. In a civilized country hate speech is treated as the deranged and ignorant expression of an who must be taught politely that his ideas are wrong and rude. It's not civilized to lock people up becuase they hate, but rahter to teach them how their hate is wrong.
Kingfisher

Other species also eat their young so I guess you support that.
mightysamurai

Yeah, we all know what your idea of a “civilized country” is, you Nazi-lover.
Huron Voyager

Flagged for over flagging. I'll get you banned, asshole.
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/OZBTYQK5MN5SKP6FA6KK4TJOQ4 MichaelAlan

temper, temper.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Good luck with that, trool boy.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

No it doesn't! In all other species it's on act of dominance for control of the familial group, there is no actual attempt to mate nor is it done out of love or for pleasure, dipshit!

Natural is sex for procreation, and animals not having the emotional base that nam does do not have sex for pleasure, and homosexual acts don't have ANY ability to further the species, so cannot be construed as natural.

Mr. EMT

After the last couple of months of listening to leftards whine “religious tolerance” over the Ground Zero Bin Laden Victory Mosque debacle I am looking forward to this show.

D-Vega

That is not surprising. At all.
Kingfisher

I say let's try to delay the issue until Christmas. We can then show the left that they're hypocrites when they oppose a nativity in Rockefeller Center while demanding that we show religious tolerance.

Martha

tiny tiny – they all care.
tblrk2006

F*ck islam and f*ck its followers. It has no place in the modern world and certainly no place in the USA. This book deal, along with the mohamed cartoons, just prove that muslims are already radical or a hair trigger away from being radical. Burn it, flush it, wipe a pigs arse with it……..most of us are tired of their fragile sensibilities…..that lead to murder and death, not crying to the UN. If they take their anger for this preacher on our service men and women, or any American overseas, we should spare no expense to make it hurt them bad.

D-Vega

There you go. Embrace your bigotry.

Become… wrath.
Jane

Behold…the proof that bigotry is among us. Don't need to go any further. Happily, your's and Stan's brand of Bigotry is far less extensive than your loud voices make it seem. Despite you, America is a good place.

TheDickNixon

Freedom of speech.

Huron Voyager

Yea, and it's also freedom of speech to call you an archaic bigot that is a waste of oxygen.

TheDickNixon

beats being gay
Huron Voyager

I'm straight, jackass. Enjoy prison.
TheDickNixon

Enjoy your Canadian Soldier. Nixon bets you two make a cute couple. And Nixon also bets you enjoy a little “prison love” with your “soldier” friend.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

And I'm a Knight Captain of the House of Windsor!!! Enjoy your fantasies you perverted bastard.

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Racist

Huron Voyager

Bigot.

TheDickNixon

flagged for lying
Huron Voyager

Flagged over flagging. You'll be banned yet, jackass.
TheDickNixon

Hold your breath, third worlder.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Moron, asshat, idiot, douche, jackass, troll, faggot, lech, bitch, child, shithead, dick, kike, spic, chink, honkey, nigger, blowhard, cunt, papist, raghead, ass-kisser….

See I can call you all sorts of names, doesn't make them true!!!

Pepperpot

If a group of people want to get together and burn a koran – they have that right in this country, but please don't do it under the banner of Christianity, because I don't think that action fits any of the tenants of Christ's command to love your enemies, and pray for those that persecute you, and something about don't be overcome by evil but overcome evil with good. Perhaps a better plan would be instead of burning the koran at a church function they should be praying instead that God would reveal truth to those blinded by the god of this world.

Jane

Unfortunately, it's all too common for christians to do this sort of thing, at least metaphorically.

TheDickNixon

sure thing
Mr. EMT

Book burnings a common thing in the news with christians…
Umm show me a link to that happening?
mightysamurai

It must be terrible for you to be so full of hatred for people who disagree with you.

TheDickNixon

Your daily religion of peace scorecard of ramadamadingdong:

Day 27, 192 muslim terror attacks, 916 innocents dead.

It is a religion of peace, its a death cult. Pagan Land baby, build it next door to the place 3000 were executed for no reason.

When it's shown terror money built it, torch it to the ground.

Huron Voyager

Ignorant fool.

StanW

Yes you are!
TheDickNixon

where are the cops Huron? Or by cops to you mean you and your “Canadian Soldier”

fail-baby-fail

I say let them burn it. It is there right after all. I also say send them a picture of every member of the military that gets killed because of how they abused there right. I agree with general Petrasus because it will be played all over the world and makes us look no better then the radical Muslims.

I can see it played out like this. First clip played shows Americans not allowing a mosque to be built, in NY and other parts of the US. Then a clip of the idiot ( can't think of his name right now) that wants to revoke constitutional rights from Muslims. Third clip will be the quran burning. The forth and final clip would be a shot of Muslim civies that got caught in a US fire fight in a muslim country. Now with that kinda clips played. Do you really think it would not push someone over the edge. To sign up to kill Americans?

Video is a powerful tool. Video of 9-11 is all it took for Pat Tilman and his brother to sign up, and countless others. Pat had money and many reasons not to go. Your average Muslim has nothing but his country and religion. And from what they are shown Americans are an attack on all that.
Kingfisher

The left's true response can be summarized as follows:

CONSERVATIVE: “Excuse me but I would like to show my painting of a Crucifix mixed with feces. Will you contribute to my art project?”
LIBERAL: “Of course, I'm always in favor of artistic expression.”
CONSERVATIVE: “I'm sorry, I meant to say 'Koran' instead of 'Crucifix.' Will you still donate to my art project?”
LIBERAL: “ISLAMAPHOBE! HATE MONGER!”
TheDickNixon

Here you go Jane:

“Posted: June 20, 2010
8:41 pm Eastern

© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf

NEW YORK – The imam behind a proposal to build a 13-story Islamic cultural center near the site of the Sept. 11 attacks refuses to condemn violent jihad groups as terrorists.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, head of the Cordoba Initiative, which seeks to construct the massive center, repeatedly refused on-air to affirm the U.S. designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization or call the Muslim Brotherhood extremists.

The Brotherhood openly seeks to spread Islam around the world, while Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction and is responsible for scores of suicide bombings, shootings and rocket attacks aimed at Jewish civilian population centers.

Rauf was speaking in a live interview with WND senior reporter Aaron Klein, who hosts a show on New York's WABC Radio.

Klein asked Rauf on his show whether the imam agrees with the State Department's designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization.

“I'm not a politician,” replied Rauf. “I try to avoid the issues. The issue of terrorism is a very complex question. … I'm a bridge builder. I define my work as a bridge builder. I do not want to be placed, nor do I accept to be placed in a position of being put in a position where I am the target of one side or another.”

Klein pointed out Hamas attacks have targeted civilians and asked Rauf again whether that qualifies to define Hamas as terrorists.

Rauf stated: “The targeting of civilians is wrong. It is a sin in our religion. Whoever does it, targeting civilians is wrong. I am a supporter of the state of Israel. … I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary.”

When Klein persisted in asking about Hamas, Rauf charged the radio host of “accus[ing] me of things. You are killing the messenger.”

“You are trying to bring down the person who is trying to build security between our country and our faith tradition,” said Rauf. “My urge to you. I have worked for the law-enforcement agencies.”

Klein interrupted, stating, “And yet you refuse to tell me Hamas is a terror organization.”

No charge bitch.

TheDickNixon

he refused to state what is obvious, that hamas is a terrorist group.

TheDickNixon

Jane, where are you?

D-Vega

That's just what I said, Nixon.

Kingfisher

Let's examine the so-called “Islamophibia” in the US for a moment:

- The US gave billions in aid to Indonesians when they were hit by a tsunami.
- The US gave billions in aid to Iran when it was hit by an earthquake.
- The US gave billions in aid to Turkey when it was also hit by an earthquake.
- The US came to the aid of Muslims in Kosovo and Iraq
- The US aided Muslims in Kuwait when it was attacked by Hussein's troops.

And we're called Islamaphobes by the left that wants to suppress religions. See “separation of church and state for more information.”

Actually, it is the left who might be Islamaphobes. The right supported the troops in Iraq (helping Muslims) while the left attacked the military, demanding that we leave. Where was the left when Hussein was murdering innocent Muslims?

The left hates Muslims because Muslims oppose gay marriage. Why does the left never address this fact?

Just a thought.

D-Vega

That wasn't a thought at all. More like a brainfart.

YOU didn't do all those things, WE did.

mightysamurai

…What?

Who is this “we” you refer to? Liberals? Are you saying liberals (and only liberals) personally gave aid to muslims around the world?

Sheesh. Brainfart indeed.

D-Vega

No, sam, all of us. All of us did those things.

All of us are not opposing this building on the grounds of a religion-wide indictment.

mightysamurai

No, sam, all of us. All of us did those things.

Yes, that is exactly what Kingfisher said. Thank you for repeating it like the pathetic parrot you are.

Kingfisher

YOU did nothing except bitch like a little girl.

Interesting how you intentionally avoided the issue about gay marriage. But, then again, you're an Islamobphobe so what else is new?

Ironhawk

I, for one, like the idea. Islam is the enemy of the free world and unless we recognize that fact, this country will perish. And showing these jackals what we think of their satanic tome is a step in that direction, if not a very big one. They want a holy war then let's stop beating around the bush and give them one. I suggest having our soldiers soak their ammunition in pork fat for starters.
A_Nonny_Mouse

I go both ways on this.

Yes, it would be rude and insensitive to burn somebody's holy book.

BUT…!!!!

I just HATE that these Islamofascists and their supporters get to tell us Americans what we should and shouldn't do regarding Islam or Muslims or cartoons or Qurans or mosques: “Do/don't do XYZ or else {something bad} MIGHT happen”.

It's like, “Submit and we won't kill you — quite yet.” (My reply: “Lan astaslem.” You can Google it.)

At any rate, for the last several years, the civilized world has endured attack after attack by Muslim SOB's claiming they are waging jihad on behalf of their blood-loving Allah. After each of these bloodbaths, Islamic apologists rise up to tell us that the perpetrators weren't REAL Muslims, because of course Islam is a Religion of Peace, and the blower-uppers are just a Tiny Minority of Extremists Who Misunderstand Their Religion. And our spineless leaders accept it, every time.

Weeelll, if that explanation is good enough to get Islam off the hook, it should be good enough to get America off the hook. Now *WE* get to say: “Attention Muslims! You have heard that there's some guy in Florida who wants to burn Qurans. He's not one of us! He's one of our tiny minority of misunderstanders. You can't possibly blame *US* for what some loony fundamentalist does, right? After all, he's no worse than YOUR loony fundamentalists.”

Yeah, see how that goes over. (Historically speaking, it seems WE get to do the tolerating, and THEY get to do the demanding for tolerance. Funny how that works.)

As far as “the risk of inflaming Muslims around the world”: these people LIVE to become inflamed. They CRAVE an excuse to be outraged. (It's not the Religion of Peace, it's the Religion of the Perpetually Offended. If we don't offend them with Qurans, they'll find something else. It's just –bless the Liberals for the phraseology– A Vital and Cherished Element of Their Historical Culture.)
Hap

1. Petraeus – first let's hear from the “separation of church and state” crowd get upset about a govt employee commenting about an event involving religions.
2. I think this is a “boil the frog” sort of thing – instead of letting radical islam steadily take over, one small step at a time, its better to force the issue with them and this helps to do that. Let's see if they can behave in a civilized fashion when provoked – just as other religions are often provoked in this country.
Kingfisher

Some of the trolls have been deliberately trying to deflect the issue by claiming that the project is not called “Cordoba House.”

Let's read it from Feisal Abdul Rauf himself:

AS my flight approached America last weekend, my mind circled back to the furor that has broken out over plans to build Cordoba House, a community center in Lower Manhattan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/opinion/08mosque.html?_r=1&hp

Next question.
Guess

Sure don't hear anything from Republicans about the Quran (or as the Christian hillbillys put it 'Koran') book burning. Apparently they dont care about the Second Amendment or the troops..;.

StanW

You are an idiot!

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/OZBTYQK5MN5SKP6FA6KK4TJOQ4 MichaelAlan

I needed to add to this and wanted to make sure the new item wasn't lost in the sea of comments.

To a liberal, it's okay to burn the US Flag but not a Quran.
To a liberal, a recession started at the end of Bush's term is Bush's fault. A recession started at the end of Clinton's term is… Bush's fault.
To a liberal, it's okay to limit the right to bear arms, but not the limit the right to build a mosque anywhere you please.
To a liberal, it's okay to increase taxes, but not decrease spending.
To a liberal, it's okay to lie and cheat, if GW did it.
It goes on and on, but you get the drift.
Proud Infidel

If that so-called “Minister” openly supports the Westboro Baptist inbreds, I completely reject him as a Priest or Pastor in any way, shape, or form, that breed of so-called “Christian” is an insult to the whole religion and its teaching!!
Johnseitz

lets stand up for freedom freedom too not be terrorized we stood up to the brits whrn we dumped there tea in the harbor a nation at peace does not stay at peace unless they our flanked by men of action they already said they our going to attack lets bring it on
Johnseitz

listen too what u are saying infidel its the same aS THE MINISTERIS SAYING about this fraction of islamis

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