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Meanwhile, in war crimes news today…

Written By : TrogloPundit

…this story:

KABUL, Afghanistan – U.S. and Afghan troops repelled attackers wearing American uniforms and suicide vests in a pair of simultaneous assaults before dawn Saturday on NATO bases near the Pakistani border, including one where seven CIA employees died in a suicide attack last year.

If you’re keeping score at home, yes: donning the enemy’s uniform to gain an advantage in battle is against the Geneva Conventions.

The raids appear part of an insurgent strategy to step up attacks in widely scattered parts of the country as the U.S. focuses its resources on the battle around the Taliban’s southern birthplace of Kandahar.

Also Saturday, nearly 50 female pupils and teachers were rushed to the hospital after an apparent toxic gas attack at a Kabul high school, the government said. It was the second case of poisoning at a girls’ school in the capital this week. Officials suspect the Taliban, who oppose female education.

Attacking noncombatants: also a Geneva violation. And: toxic gas? But isn’t that…a weapon of mass destruction?

Hey, President Obama, leave Gitmo open! We can keep these guys forever.

Posted by The TrogloPundit.

Fiza1

I guess you think the “insurgents” should only fight the vastly superior US forces in a gentlemanly manner. An Algerian rebel leader was once criticized for for setting off bombs in the French sector of Algiers and killing innocent civilians. His response was something like “Give us aircraft, bombs, & other modern weapons of war and we will fight a normal war.
Just how do you think Americans would resist an occupation in the USA?
The Taliban and other “insurgent factions” in Afghanistan have never had uniforms. Did the Afghans ever have uniforms when they fought, with American support, the Soviet “occupiers”?

StanW

How would America fight a war? AGAINST THE ACTUAL PEOPLE THAT INVADED. Not against an innocent civilian population.

You are a idiot and a treasonous bastard, Fiza!

Martha

Guess you should read up on the Civil War, stan.

StanW

Guess you should shut the fuck up, BITCH!

Martha

Now, now, stan. Don't blame me for your ignorance.
Mr. EMT

Yes, the world including Stan and myself, are totally ignorant as to what type of inbreeding your family performed to spawn such a jackassed moronic drooling mouth breathing traitor such as you.
StanW

Actually, I know the answer to this one, Mr. EMT.

You see, when Martha's mommie had him, she was not pregnant, SHE WAS CONSTIPATED.
Mr. EMT

I figured it was his uncledaddy that shit the brick.
But you may be right.

TheDickNixon

flagged for threadjacking.

Martha

Guess you should tell the same to stan, dick.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

The civil war was a time of what is known as “Total War”. I know lieberals see all wars as the same, but there are in fact great differences between wars.

In Total War, the economy is a crucial part of the war effort on both sides, and so it becomes a legitimate military target.

In this war, this isn't the case. Terrorists are funded from outside donations, and the civilians they are targeting are not directly contributing to the war effort against the terrorists.

You have a lot to learn, as that was only the smallest amount of information on different forms of war, barely scratching the surface. My advice is to stay out of discussing something you know nothing about.

Fiza1

“In this war, this isn't the case. Terrorists are funded from outside donations, …”

You mean just like the war against the Soviet occupiers in the 1980's. The Afghans were better armed by the US in the war against the Soviets, for example, with thousands of then modern stinger missiles.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Soviets: invading for resources.

Americans: eliminating dictators.

I can see how you could see the similarities with your head so far up your ass you can lick your nose, but in reality they have nothing in common. America has gotten basically nothing out of both Iraq and Afghanistan. The nation that has gotten the most is China.

Fiza1

Got that “proof” that Rep. Frank singlehandedly stopped the reform of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac? I don't think so!

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ELCWV5ANDUEJ5D5PB35FL2LZ6Y Bildo

''These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

Stated during hearings on a Bush Administration proposal to increase regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2003.

Yes, Barney Frank, more than any other person, is the reason the Federal Government now owns those two entities. He is not the sole person at fault, but he is the one who is most to blame.

“we are not in a crisis”.. “the federal government should be doing more to get low income families into houses”… “too many people had a sky is falling mentality” – Barney Frank

From 2001 through 2005 the Bush Admin attempted to increase regulation of Fannie and Freddie. In 2005 Alan Greenspan stated:

“Enabling these institutions to increase in size-and they will once the crisis in their judgment passes-we are placing the total financial system of the future at substantial risk”

In January of 2007 Frank became the Chairman of the House Banking Committee. He could have started doing something at that time to reign in the organizations that started out with such a great goal, and morphed into bloated beasts that risked our entire economy. He chose to keep playing politics, either oblivious, or purposely negligent of what it meant to millions of jobs, and to the economic well being of the country.

So yes, more than any other person, Barney Frank is to blame for the failure of Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac.

Fiza1

“So yes, more than any other person, Barney Frank is to blame for the failure of Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac.”

Bildo, do you actually believe your own propaganda! Again, just how did Rep. Frank, a minority house member from Jan 1995 to Jan 2007 block any reform of Fannie mae or Freddie Mac? Did any Republican controlled member of the House or the Senate offer any kind of reform of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac? Nope! I guess the majority Republicans were just plain “scared” of the mean and powerful Rep. Frank. Yup, Gingrich, followed by “the hammer” Delay, and Hastert were just so “scared” of Rep. Frank that they didn't even attempt to reform Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. Did Frank ever filibuster any attempt to reform Fannie mae or Freddie Mac? Nope!
The same goes with the Republican controlled Senate.

“From 2001 through 2005 the Bush Admin attempted to increase regulation of Fannie and Freddie.”

Again, the Republicans controlled the White House, the Senate, and the House.

Got anymore lame claims, Bildo?
StanW

And the Democrats control them all now, TRAITOR. And somehow, everything that is wrong in this nation is still the Republicans fault.
mightysamurai

Again, just how did Rep. Frank, a minority house member from Jan 1995 to Jan 2007 block any reform of Fannie mae or Freddie Mac?

What part of “ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee” did you not understand?

Did any Republican controlled member of the House or the Senate offer any kind of reform of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac?

Yes, they did. President Bush himself prepared a reform proposal for Congress. The Congressional hearing that rejected that proposal is where that quote from Barney Frank comes from.

Are you even paying attention at all, Fiza?
Mr. EMT

Right because the minority party in the house and congress can't obstruct the agenda of the majority right?
Therefor every FAILURE the obamao administration has made in the last two years that is crushing our economy and destroying our job market is obamao's fault.
Your budgets are collapsing in liberal states who are going bankrupt and cant fund basic rescue services because as we said, its your fault.

In Barney Frank's defense, you are right, he did not have much power.
He bullied and blustered and cried RACISM and cried that GOP was against the poor, and the GOP acted predictably and caved like spineless politicians and let the democrats have what they wanted so they would not be percieved as being the bad guys.

But tell me something, moron.
Who was it that wanted regulation, and who wanted deregulation of fanny and freddy?
THE END
The leadership of DEmocrats has never done anything but lead into destruction.
The Karma Hoser

Fizzy, our little juvenile, hissyfitting intellectual inferior, Bildo cleaned your clock, plain and simple, get over it.

WE are the RIGHT, and WE SHALL OVERCOME, YES WE WILL! :D

StanW

What the hell are you talking about Fiza? Are you senile?

TheDickNixon

Good to see liberals supporting the taliban. Notice how fiza marks “insurgent factions” and “occupiers”.

Time to ban this anti American POS.

Fiza1

Big words from one who's hero is Joe McCarthy, or is it StanW who says McCarthy is a hero.

StanW

MCarthy was a hero, a patriot, and he was right. And whenever i have asked you for proof of your accusations, you run away, JUST LIKE VEGA DOES.

So shove your lies up your ass, you senile piece of shit!

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Getting a little over the top there, Stan.
StanW

Not at all, Justin. I used to think McCarthy was a brute and a demagogue. When I researched the man and what he did, the truth turned out to be exactly the opposite of what Democrats have said about him.

McCarthy was a hero and a patriot. And i will be happy to discuss it with you.
Martha

LOL, stan. You'll make the child piss himself.

McCarthy was a demagogue, an ignoramus and a bully. he was a petty politian who grasped too far with too little. He was a selfish drunk who scrabbled for power and power alone. he came up empty and was finally defeated when some real Americans finally stood up to him.
StanW

All bullshit, which is usual from the likes you you.

Care to give me the name of a siongle innocent person that McCarthy ruined? Just One, BITCH!
Martha

Why stop at one name, stan?

•Alvah Bessie,
•Herbert Biberman,
•Bertolt Brecht,
•Lester Cole,
•Richard Collins,
•Edward Dmytryk,
•Gordon Kahn
•Howard Koch,
•Ring Lardner Jr
•John Howard Lawson
•Albert Maltz,
•Lewis Milestone
•Samuel Ornitz,
Larry Parks
•Irving Pichel,
•Robert Rossen
•Waldo Salt
•Adrian Scott
•Dalton Trumbo
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

I did quick searches on the first three names, and all three had direct ties to communism.

This is seriously a sad list, and I don't even think it's worth my time to go through the rest. I'm going to anyway, because I'm now going to write an article on how every single one of these people was rightfully prosecuted.
Martha

'Twill be an article of airy nothing.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

I find that if you think it is nothing, it tends to be factual information, so that was actually a compliment. Thank you.
Martha

I doubt you should thank me for the fantasy that I am feeding your fantasy.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Um… Martha… we're talking about politics right now, not Dungeons and Dragons…
Mr. EMT

Bagdad bob just stated he thinks his fantasy is feeding your fantasy…
Bagdad bob does not base his reality on earth.
StanW

Interesting, none of those names appeared in my research of McCarthy. So I looked up a few. They were victims of HUAC and the Hollywood Blacklist… Two things Joe McCarthy had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH!

Pathetic attempt, Martha. Even for you!
Martha

Yes, there is a chill in the air as I have to admit stan is actually correct about something. I gave the wrong list.

Here is the correct list:

Fred Fischer,
Dorothy Kenyon,
Esther Brunauer,
Haldore Hanson,
Gustavo Duran,
Owen Lattimore,
Harlow Shapley,
Frederick Schuman,
John S. Service,
Philip Jessup
StanW

You mean you googled one of your pathetic leftist website and blindly posted what they excreted.

And i will be happy to do some research, but I recognize some of the names. Fred Fischer and Owen Lattimore were targets of McCarthy and both were decidedly Communists that had no business being a part of any aspect of the government.

I asked for INNOCENT victims, Martha. That means people that McCarthy went after that WERE NOT security risks.

Again, YOU FAIL!
Martha

Just before the delightful “have you no shame?” query.

Mr. Welch: Senator, you won't need anything in the record when I finish telling you this. Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty, or your recklessness. Fred Fisher is a young man who went to the Harvard Law School and came into my firm and is starting what looks to be a brilliant career with us. When I decided to work for this Committee, I asked Jim St. Clair, who sits on my right, to be my first assistant. I said to Jim, “Pick somebody in the firm to work under you that you would like.” He chose Fred Fisher, and they came down on an afternoon plane. That night, when we had taken a little stab at trying to see what the case is about, Fred Fisher and Jim St. Clair and I went to dinner together. I then said to these two young men, “Boys, I don't know anything about you, except I've always liked you, but if there's anything funny in the life of either one of you that would hurt anybody in this case, you speak up quick.”
And Fred Fisher said, “Mr. Welch, when I was in the law school, and for a period of months after, I belonged to the Lawyers' Guild,” as you have suggested, Senator. He went on to say, “I am Secretary of the Young Republican's League in Newton with the son of [the] Massachusetts governor, and I have the respect and admiration of my community, and I'm sure I have the respect and admiration of the twenty-five lawyers or so in Hale & Dorr.” And I said, “Fred, I just don't think I'm going to ask you to work on the case. If I do, one of these days that will come out, and go over national television, and it will just hurt like the dickens.” And so, Senator, I asked him to go back to Boston. Little did I dream you could be so reckless and so cruel as to do an injury to that lad. It is, I regret to say, equally true that I fear he shall always bear a scar needlessly inflicted by you. If it were in my power to forgive you for your reckless cruelty, I would do so. I like to think I'm a gentle man, but your forgiveness will have to come from someone other than me.
StanW

Funny how McCarthy defamed Fred Fischer for being in the Lawyers Guild during the Army McCarthy hearings, yet it did not defame Fred Fischer when his boss Welch made the same accusation in the press two weeks earlier. The “scar” was inflicted by Welch himself, not by McCarthy.

Again, you and your pathetic googling FAIL!
Martha

stan, it's going to be difficult for you to re-write history this time, with so much on the record. Welch passed on the information, so there would be nothing to hide. He made no “accusation”.
StanW

Seriously? THAT is your defense? Welch told Fischer that if news of his involvement in The Lawyers guild ever got out, it would “hurt like the dickens”, and then Welch outed him as a member of the Lawyers Guild BEFORE the Army McCarthy hearings.

Welch outed Fischer, not McCarthy. Any injury done to Fischer (wich as it turned out was NO DAMAGE) was done by Welch himself.

Pathetic!
Martha

Pathetic it is indeed to see you reach so far to change history, even with the record to view. But then it is a hard task to make any positive spin on McCarthy. There was no “outing” as it was Fisher himself who brought the situation to Welch's attention. The derogatory accusations about the young man were done by McCarthy himself. Innuendo and lies, stan – you understand them so well.
StanW

I don;t need to change history, Martha. I'm just including the part you have deliberately left out.

What McCarthy said during the hearings was already common knowledge. Welch had already told the press that Fischer was a member of the Lawyers guild, and that occurred BEFORE the Army McCarthy hearings. All McCarthy did was throw into Welch's face that same type of accusations that Welch was trying to foist on Roy Cohn during his questioning.

And it was not so derogatory and accusation, when Welch made Fischer a partner in his law firm. Left that out as well, didn't you?
mightysamurai

McCarthy was right. When the USSR fell and the Russians released all their classified documents those documents confirmed the existence of a vast network of Soviet spies within the United States.

No amount of pathetic denial from you will change that.
Mr. EMT

Mcarthy, not Ted Kennedy you hapless twit.
Your are so damned stoned you dont know what and who you are talking about.
But considering you are a drooling rabid Traitor, we understand where your confusion comes from.
Fiza1

“You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?”

When you researched the man? You mean when you read the conservative blogsphere propaganda attempting to restore McCarthy to “hero” status? Give us some of your slimeball sources, StanW?

I might be wrong here, but I don't think Justin Hoffer wants to discuss McCarthy with you.
StanW

You keep comiong back with that ONE QUOTE to illustration your ignorance of McCarthy, Fiza. Why won't you just answer the questions I asked?

Why?
Fiza1

How did you say that Rep. Frank single-handedly stopped the Republican controlled congress and WH from reforming FannieMae/Fredie Mac? Quite a claim, since the Republican House (1995 to 2007) did not propose or introduce a single measure to place limits on Fannie/Freddie. Not a single one, StanW! I guess the Republicans were absolutely terrified of Rep. FranK. The “hammer” must have been shaking in his alligator skin boots!
StanW

I have never claimed that, Fiza, so either prove it or STFU!

And keep running away from my questions about McCarthy, you senile coward!
TheDickNixon

“I might be wrong “

First time you have told the truth.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

The “over the top” part was this sentence, and only this sentence:

“So shove your lies up your ass, you senile piece of shit!”

I haven't done any research on McCarthy.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

I'm actually a bit interested in learning more about McCarthy now, though. My bigoted history teacher taught us a lot of lies. The idiot even called Israel's security fence an “apartheid wall”.

If you can, my website is located here. My email is on the front page. If you could send me some good research resources, I'd appreciate it.
Martha

Good Lord, you're from the Peg. Not just wet behind the ears, but frozen. LOL
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

And you continue to say nothing of issues, only directly attacking a person. This is called “argumentum ad hominem,” and is known as a logical fallacy. It means you have automatically conceded that you are wrong, and are simply trolling and trying to start fights deliberately, and have publicly recognized that you have no value to society, and would be happier dead if it weren't for the fact that you enjoy trolling so much.
Martha

LOL
sim427

Before you tackle McCarthy, read Venona:

http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps33230/www.ns…
Fiza1

After that Bing up Kevin Strom, who, no doubt, is the “intellectual” that changed StanW's views (and probably sim427's views) on McCarthy. McCarthy is a favorite of the Neo Nazi's, every crackpot white supremacy group, and every anti-semetic/anti Jewish group in America.
sim427

no actually McCarthy's vindication offered by the Venona project is what changed my mind about him. I still think the man was a boor, but he was right, and frustrated and driven to drink because nobody believed him. Google it and any you'll find a couple of your Wikipedia links along with the NSA, PBS Free Republic, etc, etc, ad nauseum.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

That is some scary sh!t.
Mr. EMT

Tell you what, Justin, make the case against Mcarthy based off of your own research.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

The “over the top” part was this sentence, and only this sentence:

“So shove your lies up your ass, you senile piece of shit!”

I haven't done any research on McCarthy.
Fiza1

Based on your symbol and McCarthy's attacks on Jewish liberals, I guess you would think that Stan is getting a little over the top. StanW will counter, of course, that McCarthy's hatchet man was Jewish.
StanW demands that I “prove” my criticisms of McCarthy, but he refuses to “prove” how Rep. Frank singlehandedly defeated any attempt to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac when the Republicans controlled the WH and congress.
StanW

I refuse to PROVE somethign I never alleged, Fiza. YOU actually accused McCarthy of something he never did, so it is up to you to prove it. Go to others for the Barney Frank issue, you senile old traitor!

I also think your cowardise is showing through here, as you will tal;k about me here, but you will not respond to me.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Jewish lieberals are no different than the Jewish Nazi Police in my experience. Some aren't, mainly due to ignorance, but those ones tend to admit that.
Fiza1

“Jewish lieberals are no different than the Jewish Nazi Police … “

Whaaat! You are not really Jewish, are you? Just a pretender to show that Jews support the views of the posters here. I bet your favorite here is the way out loonie, Warner Ted Huston.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Unlike many, I actually am a real Jew. One who's Zeda fought more than one fascist nation is his lifetime. Our current enemy is the lieberals and the Jews who support them.

Mr. EMT

Moronic feeble words from a Traitor.
TheDickNixon

flagged for lying
The Karma Hoser

…And who are your heroes, I'm certain they're the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro,…….

http://www.angry.net/blog2 Angry Webmaster

Dear Fiza1. Might I suggest you look up what happened to Nazi troops who were captured in American uniforms.

This took place during the Battle of the Bulge, and a number of English speaking Germans went behind the lines to sow confusion and panic.

They were taken out, tied to posts and executed by firing squad.
mightysamurai

You heard it here, folks. Liberals are a-okay with terrorism and war crimes.

Martha

Well, you keep telling us to support the USA.

TheDickNixon

flagged for lying.

Martha

Now, dick. I definitely know you keep harping that we should support the USA. Is your memory going?
TheDickNixon

learn to read, coqholster

mightysamurai

Yeah, we do. But apparently you'd rather root for terrorists, war criminals, and mass murderers. I guess you just have more in common with them than with Americans.
Mr. EMT

And instead you support Al Qaeda and Taliban.
Traitor.
AF_Vet

The above post of murtha's is exactly why no one here, or in society at large will ever respect him/her/it.

The Karma Hoser

What else is new?
UFKA_Smithwick

Was it ever in doubt?

sim427

Wow! Way to defend attacks on women and children. Stay classy you fuggin moron.

Since you condone these attacks that are clearly in violation of the Geneva conventions, then you surely would have no problem with torturing the perpetrators for information and then treating them to a lead sandwich once the last bit of usable intelligence has been wrung out of them. After all, if Geneva is meaningless, then we should not be bound by it either.

I think Americans would resist in a completely different manner…likely hitting supply lines, strategic military installations, raiding commerce, sabotaging military manufacturing, etc..

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Sounds like what we did to defeat the British. Actually, that's exactly what we did to defeat the British.

mightysamurai

Well, that and meeting them in open battle with a uniformed army of trained regulars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_army

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

I was actually talking about Israel, but that works too.
Martha

U really are lost. LOL
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

How am I lost? I'm Israeli, my grandfather fought with the Israeli freedom fighters. You're the only one lost, here.
mightysamurai

Justin, don't bother trying to engage it in conversation. It doesn't know what it's saying.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

What's really sad is it probably doesn't even know that Israel fought the British for control of modern day Israel, and they ran away with their tails between their legs.
mightysamurai

Well of course not. Why would it listen to evil JOOish propaganda disguised as true history? Everyone knows the JOOS are sneaky liars, after all.

The Karma Hoser

Hey, JH, supply routes and the enemy's logistics (railroad yards, supply dumps, etc.) as well as their materiel manufacturing facilities were bigtime targets in WWII, we crippled their ability to keep their militaries fed and equipped, and that hastened the end of the war.
The terrorists, however, target civilians first, just look at where and when they attack. As I said earlier, they also hide among civilians and use them as human shields, our side doesn't, we get in front of the civilians facing the enemy to guard them, and fight!!

Fiza1

“I think Americans would resist in a completely different manner…likely hitting supply lines, strategic military installations, raiding commerce, sabotaging military manufacturing, etc.. “

Dream on ………..!

Mr. EMT

Thing is, comrade TRAITOR fizzle, no outside force would ever have any justification to attack us under the conditions our nation is operating under today.
If we were taken over by a tyrannical regime, and that regime was waging war on our innocents, then an outside force would be welcome to come in and help us help ourselves, as we are doing with the government of Afghanistan.
There is NO comparison that can be logically made otherwise, Traitor.
mightysamurai

Yes, we heard you the first time, Fiza. You hate America and love the terrorists. We got it. You don't have to keep repeating it.
sim427

I have history on my side what do you have? Oh yeah Saddam, terrorists, insurgents and any other whack job who hates America. You're always willing to give admitted enemies of America the benefit of the doubt while condemning America without so much as a shred of proof.

You're despicable and don't deserve the citizenship granted you by the fluke of your birthplace. You don't believe that the majority of us who will fight an occupying force will fight with honor and will do everything possible to preserve innocent life? Well just wait, because the day seems to be coming when one of your leftist, fascist brethren will take the reins of the infrastructure your heroes have been building since the New Deal and a President will become a dictator.
The Karma Hoser

*ATTENTION K-MART ASSOCIATES, LOST MOONBAT WITH A SOILED DIAPER IN AISLE 13, IT NEEDS A WAAAHMBULANCE*

Mr. EMT

What Traitor fizzle's feeble mind forgot was that we were already invaded and attacked.
9/11.

Mr. EMT

How should “insurgent” terrorists fight…
Well they could start by not murdering their fellow countrymen that you stupidly try to portrey them as defending?
They could start by not raping their children and actually behave like productive mammals concerned with the well being of their nation.
Your heros, the taliban and al qaida, make war on innocents and you sit there and justify them?
You are a fucktard and there is only one word that discribes someone who sympathises with the enemy especially when that enemy is so damned toxic to the entire rest of the world.
TRAITOR.

sabiticus

I am not particularly bothered by this. It simply gives us more reason to start executing these people out of hand on the battlefield. It is a shame, though, that we limit ourselves in viciousness against the enemy at the Left's demand, while that same Left twists themselves to justify the enemy's viciousness.

Really, Lefties, it's not that I care about your hypocrisy. It's your outright treasonous nature that I object to.

AF_Vet

Exactly, Sab. In order to be protected by the Geneva Convention, one must abide by it's dictates. And so far, neither the Taliban, nor Al-Quaeda have chosen to do so. Legaglly, we could line these little F_ckers up when we catch them and and light them up with a flame thrower.

By their own actions, the Geneva Convention does not apply to them. The evry fact that we let them live shows incredible restraint and mercy.

http://troglopundit.wordpress.com TrogloPundit

I'm not making any comment on how the “insurgents” should fight; whether or not it's ok for them to use such tactics; or even whether I'd use them myself if in some similarly mismatched fight. I am merely pointing out the dichotomy between those who insist we treat our enemies according to the Geneva Conventions (or, worse, as simple criminals) and the way our enemies treat our soldiers.
The Karma Hoser

I speak from personal experience, I'm an OEF Vet, and I did over 160 missions before I rotated stateside. The Afghans WANT us there, reconstruction is going on everywhere, with at least 30 other nations donating support. These “insurgents”, what I call THE ENEMY, are mostly from outside of Afghanistan, they slither in from countries like Lebanon, Syria, Pakistan Saudi Arabia, et al., and they have no regard for human life or human rights. Fizz-head, Martha, (I'm certain you're BOTH D-Vega sockpuppets) Afghans' life under the Taliban was not much more than hell. Many relief organizations were pushed out of the country by them under accusations of proselytizing, having unescorted, non-burkha-clad women to name a few, and before we invaded, 20to 25% of ALL children died before age 5, and 10% of all women died giving childbirth. Education was pretty much verboten, and the adult literacy rate runs at about 30-35%. We have accomplished a LOT over there, and during my tour from 2005 to 2006, there were about 25 other nations that had their military forces on the ground alongside us. My unit did missions with British and French units, and German as well.
As to Afghans' attitude toward us, we had local Nationals coming to us to report Al-Quaeda cells setting up around us, and that was done at great risk to them and their families. I'm certain that you moonbat(s) will graciously ignore what I've said so far, your brains are fried from all of your glueand spraypaint sniffing activities. I see your type everytime I wear my OEF VET shirt, you're the ones that stare and turn red, none of you have the spine to say anything to our faces, you just spout your drivel online!!
Just remember, WE are the Right, and WE SHALL OVERCOME!!

Martha

Actually there is a lot of truth in your post. We'll overlook the self-aggrandization. However, you end on a sour note. The invading forces of the West are not in the right (which is why the war is lost). And – no – you will not overcome.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

So being there at the request of democratically elected governments makes us wrong… That makes so much sense! You have completely changed my world view!

Martha

As long as something makes you change your world view.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Fail. That was sarcasm, idiot. You have no logic behind anything you say, and certainly no truth.
Martha

U don't have the wit for sarcasm.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Says the person that doesn't understand sarcasm.

mightysamurai

Right. I'm sure the terrorists will rise up and throw us out any day now.

Martha

That's what they are doing right now.

mightysamurai

By doing what? Stopping our bullets with their bodies?
Martha

It's known as attrition.
mightysamurai

So they're hoping we'll run out of bullets?
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Since much American ammunition is made in Israel, they are hoping that the Jews run out of bullets.

Not going to happen any time soon.

gfchicago

Gee Martha, just for once in your life issue a simple thank you to a soldier for a job well done and leave it at that, instead of spouting your liberal bullshit.

He has every right to tout what he and his fellow soldiers have done to help protect innocent life and make their circumstances a 1000X better than it was be for the Afgan war. After all he laid his ass on the line not you.

You remind me of all of the typical liberals, you all are arrogant narcissistic little people without thought for the larger pictures out side of your dull little lives.

Martha

I've never seen the Christ on a pogo stick. Perhaps He is hopping mad being used and lied about by the Rightwing Conservatives.

Ya know, these soldiers do a job and get paid. It's that extra step taken here by this guy pretending he fought on the”side of “right' and that the West will overcome. Neither are true.

Mr. EMT

Right because the “right side” that belongs in there are the ones who rape and murder innocents, deal drugs, terrorize their neighbors and torture children.
Awesome perspective, jackass.
gfchicago

Ya know, these soldiers do a job and get paid

Yeah they get paid but it sure as hell isn't enough for laying their asses on the line for ungrateful people like you to keep their precious first amendment rights, to spout the bullshit that you do. My father was in the military for twenty years and I can guarantee you he made squat for putting his but in the line of fire for his government.

I'm just glad dad isn't around to see what B.O. has wrought. He's probably spinning in his grave right now.

It's that extra step taken here by this guy pretending he fought on the”side of “right' and that the West will overcome. Neither are true.

That's a lie and you know it. Just like all of you libs that said that Iraq was lost. No President Pookie wants to take credit for it when he had nothing to do with the policy except keeping in place President Bush's policy.
Martha

I didn't say they got paid well.They get paid. It's a job.

Iraq is lost. It will, in less time than the war was fought, break into three parts (one part is independent in all but name now) and just destablize the region (it was a buffer to Iran). The West looses (and they didn't even get the oil).
gfchicago

You are just like the rest of the blame America crowd and an ungrateful little twit.

So we were just supposed to sit back and let Saddam continue to brutalize/massacre his people and his neighbors. And once Saddam convinced France, Russia and Germany to lift the sanctions on Iraq, he would have gone back to making weapons of mass destruction. Really good plan there Martha.

I thought that a you liberals were for the downtrodden
mightysamurai

Yeah, when is that scheduled to happen, BTW? You lefties have been predicting this mythical “split” in Iraq for years now. When is it actually going to happen?
Martha

A third of it happened five or more years ago. The rest will happen within a year of the occupation forces leaving.
mightysamurai

So this magical “split” has already happened…despite the fact that no such split has ever been observed, either by the Iraqis or by American troops in Iraq?
AF_Vet

Which is why ameoba-shit like you will never be good enough to wear the uniform…it's not a “job,” you jackass. And if you're joining simply as a “job,” you're joining for the wrong reasons.
The Karma Hoser

AF-Man, these juvenile mental midgets don't even have the backbone to even enter a recruiter's office, let alone serve. They don't even say anything to our faces, they just hissyfit online like a 2-year-old with a soiled diaper!!
The Karma Hoser

*ATTENTION K-MART ASSOCIATES, MASSIVE MOONBAT DROPPINGS CLEANUP ON AISLE 13!!*

WE SHALL OVERCOME, D-Vega (OOPS, you're Martha today)!!

Vegeta1

don't try. Don't even waste your time responding to this trolling piece of shit. It's sole purpose here is to troll. It doesn't have any actual argument other than what it says piss off people who post here. Do yourself a favor and don't respond to these douchebags and they will go away eventually.

Mr. EMT

Ah, the basement dwelling brown shirt commie loving moron had to post his drooltarded logic.
And amazingly it was typical backwards assed logic.
Hey awesome job though displaying your hate towards our troops and sympathy for the enemy.
TRAITOR

Martha

LOL, bandage boy is back. Stuck in traffic again?

No one hates the fine troops of the USA more than the Rightwing hypocrites who have stooged for their Capitalistic overlords to create the two wars we are currently losing.

StanW

The rightwing CREATED the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

You have really left the reservation, Martha.
Karmahoser

I'll bet a bottle of good Bourbon that “Martha” is a D-Vega sockpuppet, she obviously sniff the same glue he does!!
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

She's not Vega, martha's been her own special idiot for years, she used get banned a couple a times a week and pop back up with variences of marth@ spellings almost as fast as she was banned. Before the Disqus system was implemented she had been absent for quite a while.

Vega on the other has never been one to sock-puppet, Asshatma is own special kind of idiot.
The Karma Hoser

I stand corrected, DAMN, I'd have lost a perfectly good bottle of Bourbon on that bet!!
On the other hand, these juvenile mental midgets make me laugh when they hissyfit like a 2-year-old with a soiled diaper!!
Mr. EMT

Gee, you know all this time I wondered where Bagdad Bob ran to.
Never heard from him after he went off the air during the first weeks of President Bush Shock and Awe'ing the life out of Saddaam.
Heard that lying moron crying how our troops were getting slaughtered and we had no chance…
Well welcome back to the land of the living Bagdad Bob.
Just call me Bandage boy, i'll save a bandaid for you if you ever get the balls to crawl out of your momma's basement and say any of that crap to anyone like me, mmkay little guy?
Oh, until you apologize for the comparisons you made to our troops being no better than raping murdering taliban terrorists, no one can take you serious when you claim anyone else hates the troops is utterly rediculous.
Tell me something MORON, after that claim about the US creating two wars, what is your lame assed excuse for Bosnia?
The Karma Hoser

HERE you go again, you can't take what you dish out, can you??

WE are the right, and WE SHALL OVERCOME!! :D
AF_Vet

Holy crap murtha…do you use some kind of online Chomsky-bot to generate that shit?

So, predictable and shallow. I bet even talking like isn't enough to get you laid by the homley chicks at school either.
Veteran

Spoken like the true loony communist/socialist/elitist that you are……..
The Karma Hoser

Martha, I've served in harm's way more than once, and I as well as many other Vets can and will tell you that the opposite is true. Yet you and your ilk continue to ignore that and continue to degrade us Vets and what we've done for everyone, including moonbats like you. Speaking for myself, I will tell you that you're welcome, my little mentally deficient ingrate!

The election is coming, and WE SHALL OVERCOME!! :D

The Karma Hoser

*ATTENTION K-MART ASSOCIATES, LOST BAWLING MOONBAT ON AISLE 13!*
Veteran

Another egghead heard from…….
The Karma Hoser

YES WE WILL, dear little intellectual inferior!! :D

Martha

Known as “Total War”, was it? Hmmmm – Perhaps you could source that for us.

It's kinda cute you telling us what war is. What are ya, twenty-three?

Children acting as adults. It is kinda endearing, and worth a guffaw.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Unlike most, I spent my time researching instead of partying, but nice bigotry and ageism.

For some further reading for your ignorant and falsely messianic self, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_war

Martha

Wikipedia is your “research”. Now that's funny. It is not a call of ageism on my part, but you acting your age.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Wikipedia isn't my research at all. I only trust it for movie references. I was giving it to you for something to start with, but I see you are too stupid to even do that.

Pitiful. Very pitiful.

Martha

If wikipedia is not your reference, then don't source it. One can excuse much because of youth, but you being proud of your stupidity erodes much good will.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

One can excuse little from willful ignorance when it comes to people like you. I don't reference my research because I've spent 8 years researching, and didn't keep a log of everything that I researched. I give people a starting point and let them decide to do the research, or remain willfully ignorant, which is what you chose to do. You are too stupid and willfully ignorant to understand anything outside of your very narrow, bigoted and idiotic worldview. You are closed minded and hateful of anything, including facts, if it doesn't fit in your worldview, the same as a Nazi. You are nothing but fascist scum.
Martha

“8 years researching” LOL – grade school doesn't count.
Mr. EMT

I would wager his 8 years of gradeschool against your 16 in elementary any time.
Did you even make it to third grade, moron?
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

My research didn't include anything from my lying school system.

You have failed, at every turn, to actually say anything about the argument. You attack me personally, and then when I call you out on it, you continue to attack me personally, which is why I automatically win. Since you refuse to discuss the issue, everything I've said about you (bigoted, narrow minded, etc.) is completely factual. So on the one hand, there is me, with real world experience and research. On the other hand, there is you, that takes a world view and ignores reality in order to make the facts fit your fallacy.

Really quite an accomplishment. Its no wonder a veteran psychiatrist says that lieberals are mentally ill.
Mr. EMT

Hey moron, fizzle just claimed wiki is not propaganda.
Go eat your own, traitor.

Fiza1

“Wikipedia isn't my research at all.”

Too bad! I guess you prefer the propaganda in the conservative blogsphere.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

I read conservative blogs for current issues to see the opinions of conservatives. When I'm researching a topic from years back, I read books and articles from reputable historical sources.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ELCWV5ANDUEJ5D5PB35FL2LZ6Y Bildo

You have yet to retort a single item, Martha. Repeated ad-hominem attacks are not an argument, or a valid debate tactic. Try at least pretending that you know something about the subject, ok? You make this too easy.

Martha

Good Lord, what are you talking about?

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ELCWV5ANDUEJ5D5PB35FL2LZ6Y Bildo

You are attacking his age instead of what he said. Pretty immature yourself. In fact, you haven't said anything about the topic at hand.

It's almost as if you don't have a clue about what you're talking about.
the_hawk

Agreed, Bildo.

Harassing someone about their perceived age while using the debate tactics of a 7-year old.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

It has to be the funniest argument I've ever seen from lieberals. When they hear my points of view and find out my age, they automatically assume I'm not a lieberal because I'm young and know nothing, and yet almost all young people are lieberals that know absolutely nothing about anything important in the world, because they don't look anything up and barely even watch news.

If anything, they're argument against me based on my age says more about lieberalism than it does about me. If youth brings stupid opinions, then lieberalism must be universally stupid based on their view of non-lieberal youth.

I use the term “lieberal” instead of “liberal” because every single last “liberal” I have ever talked to has outright lied to me.
mightysamurai

When they hear my points of view and find out my age, they automatically assume I'm not a lieberal because I'm young and know nothing, and yet almost all young people are lieberals

It does seem odd that liberals would claim your age makes you inexperienced and naive yet every election season they claim the youth vote is key to their success.

mightysamurai

Try at least pretending that you know something about the subject, ok?

Yeah…Martha's not so good at that.

Ask her to explain how the second law of thermodynamics proves global warming sometime. It'll be a laugh riot.

Fiza1

Better yet, ask StanW and the rest of the creationists to explain how evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It would also be a riot if you tried to explain the 2nd law of thermodynamics. For a little help, check out a translation of “Treatise on Thermodynamics” by Max Planck.
StanW

Or better yet, why don't YOU man-up and answer the questions abnout McCarthy I have been asking you for weeks THAT YOU KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM.

How about THAT, traitor?
Mr. EMT

Did you mix a little crack in with your weed tonight fizzle?
Looks like you are finding it impossible to keep your feeble mind on track.
Normal people would avoid making themselves look like scatterbained jackasses, you seem hellbent on showing everyone what a worthless dreg you are.
sim427

Fiza did you ever respond to Martin Hale on any GW thread? Oh yeah I remember you ran away as soon as he started quoting facts and sourcing them.

You couldn't even ken what NO (as in zip, zero, none, nada) WMD allowed to Saddam meant…

Mr. EMT

I will remember you said that next time you or one of your drooltarded mouth breathing slobbering brethren cites wikipedia as a source.

Fiza1

Better to cite Wikipedia than your source, for example, Conservapedia and the rest of the conservative blogsphere. If you really are an EMT, look up what Conservapedia says about evolution, creation, and intelligent design.

Mr. EMT

What a retard.
You just claimed conservapedia is “my source” and then asked me to go research it…
I am not aware of what conservapedia says, I could care less.
It has nothing to do with the topics of discussion here.
And in either event, considering your sources for your slobbering simian knowledge comes from a store clerk for gun lessons, al gore for climatology and “religion for morons” by Jack Haulf, i'm not impressed with anything you have EVER tried to claim.
TheDickNixon

threadjacking, flagged again.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

I have yet to personally meet a conservative that uses Conservapedia.
sim427

I didn't even know there was such a site!
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

I actually wonder sometimes if Conservapedia is made by disguised moonbats, because there are some things on there that the moonbats believe of conservatives, but isn't actually true.

Martha

U claim I lie. Then U do NOT want us supporting the USA. Glad that's clarified, dick.
Mr. EMT

You goofaw at yourself a lot huh little guy?
Glad to see a traitor has a sense of humor.
However, you are a repeated failure at logic.
You have been tottally admitting on here that your feeble brain lacks the capacity to reason between right and wrong.
You make no distinction between who is right, a US soldier protecting civilians by killing terrorists, or the terrorist who also kills a US soldier since in your mind “both are killers and US soldiers are tresspassing”
You are a moron and a traitor.

Fiza1

“You have been tottally admitting on here that your feeble brain …”

Spoken by the feeble mind who thiks it's “awsome” when a supposedly former competition shooter, NRA instructor and gun owner “pulls” a loaded shotgun from a car trunk, walks onto a shooting range, “jacks” a cartridge into the chamber, and starts shooting.

What a stupid story! No former competition shooter or NRA instructor would do such a stupid thing. EMT thinks such a practice is “awsome”!

PS, EMT, did you encounter ant snakes, human or animal predators or illegal aliens on your way home from your shift at McDonalds to your apartment?

StanW

Still waiting on you top provide any PROOF of your supposed gun-safety rule, TRAITOR!

Mr. EMT

Actually fizzle is living proof that the only safe gun for him is the one that he can't shoot.
Keeping his guns unloaded and locked is not safe enough, removing the firing pin is not safe enough.
He has no concept of how to handle a gun nor the laws and rights that enable people to bear arms.
Nor does he have any concept of the applications of firearms.
He lives in a small universe where the only thing he knows is based on his own sheltered experiences and what is spoon fed to him by a store clerk.

Mr. EMT

You are right, I do think it is awesome when someone keeps their guns loaded and ready for use.
However, we do realize breaking through your thick skull you keep implanted deep in the bowels of your posterior will never see the logic in keeping a gun designed for self defense, loaded.
You are a moron.
And by the way, dont dis on burger flippers, they feed your ass just like your family who supports you being a dead beat basement dweller.

RappinMc

EMT, it took the fizzer over a month to wade back into the pool after his drubbing on the unloaded weapon issue. Funny, the fire arms expert that I made reference to in the heat of that discussion did in fact transport his home security shotgun to the range, with shells in the weapon. An idiot of fizzy's stature assumes that this was done safety off, weapon cocked. I was wrong not to fully explain the circumstance, however fizzy's never transport a loaded weapon is bullshit. Kinda bugged me that I appeared to forego any semblance of firearm safety for the sake of making a point to a weaponry neophyte like fizzy. The man in question was a national match champion, and is an expert on firearm use and safety. So fizzy, the point remains, a weapon with shells in the magazine can be transported safely. Location and customs dictate safety and etiquette at the range. I will continue to carry my loaded weapon from my car to the firing line, I fire at a small private range in an unpopulated location. Rest assured I've forgotten more about this subject than you'll learn in a lifetime. Remember, there's a name for an unloaded firearm, it's called a club and it's useless when an assailant attacks with a loaded weapon. I was wrong fizzy. Safety is the number one rule when handling firearms. Blanket generalizations have a way of diluting that point. That said, when you encounter armed citizens like EMT, me, or Ted Nugent, know that the weapon they have is LOADED. Guaranteed.

Mr. EMT

The technical term for the way I carry would be Cocked Locked and ready to rock.
RappinMc

Exactly!

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Can you ever stay the fuck on topic, you brainwashed bastard?

mightysamurai

Yes, we heard you the first time, Fiza. You hate America and love the terrorists. We got it. You don't have to keep repeating it.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Your own bigotry is lost on you, isn't it?
Veteran

Martha,

You have GOT to stop letting Noam Chomsky screw with your brain. Your body,ok, but this brain F@#& is really messing you up!
Gpdaniel

If this country would only do as I suggest and dip their bullets and missiles
in pigs blood the Martha heroes would throw down their arms rather than take a chance.

The Karma Hoser

G-P, while I was in Afghanistan, I cleaned my M4 rifle at least 3 times a week to keep the ever-present dirt and dust out of it so I knew it would function when we got hit. I cleaned the magazines out once a week, pulling the rounds out, and cleaning the mag. I had a friend that I did this with, and just before we loaded each round back into the mag, we lovingly rubbed the tip of each bullet in a few strips of bacon acquired from the chow hall!! Many a machine gunner on a gun truck would rub the tips of the rounds on the ammo belt going into his weapon with bacon grease for good luck!

gfchicago

Karma,

I just wanted to thank you for your service. I had meant to do it before, however, I got distracted by that silly little twit Martha.

So here is a BIG THANK YOU!

The Karma Hoser

Thanks, G-F, and I know from experience that for every dirty-diapered moonbat running their mouth about us Vets, there are at least 15 to 20 REAL people that appreciate us!!

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