Really should have aborted that one

Jack, your opinion isnt worth consideration since you do not live in the United States, you do not know our laws, our customs, our history. You live in some place far from here where benevolent politicians want to save you from evil corperations, while you earn your high level income getting hummers from your “gf”.
By the way, using a female pleasure device strapped to your hand does not count as having your “gf” give you a hummer over here.
Thought you might want to know that since you are obsessed with comparing your countries customs with ours.
Posting to yourself is also pretty much giveaway to being an attention whore.

Love it either way. MSM and obamatons are spreading the news that obama has never shown a valid Birth Certificate, and more people are asking why not?
At first i thought he was just being a sneaky commie and would later show it in full glory saying “here it is, jokes on you idiots”
Now, he is trapped, after all this hooplah if he did show it, everyone is going to say, what the fuck took you so long, and how did you even get nominated for senator when no one ever bothered even looking into whether you had valid US citizenship?
Seriously he has no choice but to never show any of his credentials, ever.
Egg will be on everyone’s faces if he ever does since everyone has claimed “yeah it was looked into… no not by me, someone else did it and i believe obama when he told me so.”

Enjoy your strawman president. He is the biggest do nothing ever to succeed in America, only to turn around and bite the hand that HANDED him everything he asked for with out breaking a sweat.

No, that’s the Birther position. He has shown a valid BC, and met Constitutional requirements.

Funny, Dept of Health in Hawaii states his records are sealed by his request, and will remain so.
Where the hell do you get that he has shown his Birth Certificate?
I’m only going by what Obama has stated, which is a fake Birth Certificate, and what is stated by the DoH in Hawaii.
You got something that makes them into liars?

There’s four reasons why the press and the left (but I repeat myself) are going berserk about the Tea Party movement:

1) they feel emboldened after the Government Health Insurance Takeover act passed
2) polling shows that Obama’s support among blacks is waning, and the Democratic Party cannot lose that huge majority black vote or they can’t win elections.
3) they want to provide cowardly Democrat congressmen cover for not meeting with their constituents because the Tea Party is so dangerous
4) they need to demonize any dissent or disagreement with Democrats in an attempt to shift public opinion away from Republican candidates before November.

So in lieu of reasoned arguments and substantive positions opposing the Republicans and the Tea Party, they start screaming lies and accusing the movement of racism, murderous intent, and being monsters.

Actually, President Obama hasn’t shown a valid Birth Certificate, but I don’t really care one way or another about that topic. Even if he was somehow proved to be not a natural US Citizen does anyone think he would be then hurled from office? Seriously?

Actually, President Obama hasn’t shown a valid Birth Certificate,

Yes, he has CT. A short-form BC is a valid BC. The original, signed BC is not required for the Presidency, nor required for most official processes.

Actually while it can substitute legally for the original birth certificate, it isn’t a true birth certificate because it leaves off considerable information which voters are curious about. No document of any kind is required to be the president but the resolute refusal to release almost any information whatsoever about Obama’s past is pretty telling and is grounds for some curiosity. At least, if you aren’t a drooling sycophant.

Haven’t heard of a “tear bagger” party.
Heard about a coffee bagger party.
Those twits are funny.

Meantime, if you are referring to Tear Partists and what makes them…
I am a working medical professional. My colleagues; doctors, nurses, firemen, emt’s, etc., are about 90% tea party and conservative.
My family and friends made up of farmers and ranchers are tear party/conservatives.
Ever herd what happens when you assume, zinn?
I can make a better argument about democrats being out of work freeloaders and con artists.

Actually while it can substitute legally for the original birth certificate, it isn’t a true birth certificate because it leaves off considerable information which voters are curious about.

Irrelevant, as “considerable information voters are curious about” is not required for squat.

Especially when its voters who aren’t voting for him anyways. That amounts to opposition actively trying to put doubt in people’s minds about his legitimacy.

Vega: there are some truthers in the Tea Party movement too. Does that discredit the movement? Feel free not to answer because of the uncomfortable territory that takes you.

You tell me, CT. Because I know what you guys were saying about the left-wing kooks. I know how Zombie would be sure that he took the most offensive kooks at the anti-war marches (which in truth had at times millions marching) in order to discredit the cause.

So you tell me, are the kooks reflective of the group?

Just because he won’t give in to strange demands to his opposition, it doesn’t mean he is saying he’s not your President.
Posted by D-Vega 2010-04-01 17:26:17

I never said Obama said that, Vega. I said that YOU said it.

Having trouble keeping up today?

I didn’t say he wasn’t your President. I said why should he give into demands to people who wouldn’t vote for him anyways.

And no, Stan. They are not reflective of the larger groups. However, they are a PART of both of our respective political pools.

So you tell me, are the kooks reflective of the group?

That’s sort of my point, but you seem to think they are.

Posted by H_Zinn
2010-04-01 16:18:44

I’m a Tea Party Member and I have 2 jobs, So your post = EPIC FAIL. Of course you talk about tea-baggers to insult us, but that just makes you an asshole too scared to offer actual criticism since their is little to truly criticize.

You and Jack Auff, do the same thing and offer nothing constructive just inults and attepmts at personal destruction. But it’s failing because people are sick of being insulted by the likes of you, and Pelousi, Reed, and Odrama.

Ms. Hiller, you make some interesting points, but the truth is, “birtherism” is not a “conspiracy theory,” but rather a real Constitutional issue. This is the reason so many Tea Partiers, who are striving to be “Constitutionalists,” are considered “birthers.”

True “birtherism” is not about the birth certificate, but rather the Constitutional definition of “natural born” citizen, as required by Article 2 for the Presidency. Obama has admitted, on his own campaign website, his dual citizenship at birth, because his father was Kenyan, and never naturalized as a US citizen.

“Birthright citizenship” is the granting of US citizenship to a child born in the US of non-US citizen parents, whether they were here legally, temporarily, or illegally. George Will addressed the issue in a recent editorial, and the Heritage Foundation, with experts such as Dr. John Eastman and Edwin Meese, have written that this practice, as well as the practice of allowing dual citizenship, have become common in the past 50 years or so, but are actually not constitutional.

Ask a Constitutional expert about the controversy over “birthright” and “dual” citizenship, then ask them whether the founders, basing their ideas on the notion of “consent”, would envision automatic citizenship to the child of a foreigner who never naturalized, much less consider this child “natural born” and more eligible for future Presidency than a “citizen” eligible only for Congress, just by virtue of being born here.
Tea Partiers who understand the Constitution realize that Obama is not a natural born citizen, even if he was born on the steps of the Capitol.

It is rather the Democrats and the MSM who have painted the “birthers” as conspiracy theorists, combined with Obama’s arrogant lack of transparency. The birth certificate is nothing but a distraction. Obama is a Constitutional professor, surely he knows the difference between “US citizen,” a “native-born” citizen, and a “natural born” one. Go back and look at his words, both written and stated, on this issue, since the campaign. He has never stated once that he is a “natural born” Article 2 citizen.

It is very frustrating to see Conservative columnists such as you agreeing with the Dems and the MSM on this issue, instead of doing some real research to understand what the controversy is truly about.

When you marginalize the “birthers,” you have fed right into the Dem’s hands. Last time I checked, they weren’t giving Conservatives advice that was worth taking. Why do you insist on taking this advice and siding with them about the “birthers?”