MSNBC Poll: 96% Support Arizona Immigration Law

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MSNBC Poll: 96% Support Arizona Immigration Law

Written By : Duane Lester

I just voted here. Below is a screenshot following my vote.

If you can’t see it, this is after close to half a million votes.

Yet the administration treats Arizona worse than overseas enemies. Makes sense.

Cross posted at All American Blogger.

tblrk2006

Yet another issue that dingbat in the whitehouse is going to fuck up. And I apologize to all dingbats out there for the association with the whitehouse dingbat.
rjschwarz

Seems to me a badly worded poll in that it is stronger than the actual law (as I understand it Law Enforcement has to check ID on every stop, not just if they suspect). And still the numbers are overwhelming.
D-Vega

Wow, didn't know Ron Paul's supporters frequented MSNBC.

http://www.allamericanblogger.com/ Duane Lester

Denial. More than a river in Egypt.

D-Vega

wow, that's a new one!

I bet you contributed more than your share.

http://www.allamericanblogger.com/ Duane Lester

It's a better reply than suggesting that the supporters of Ron Paul would support the Arizona bill.

From the Daily Paul:

Turns out that the new Arizona “anti-illegal immgration” law is, in fact, nothing more than a national id law.

Another example of the anti-illegal immigration movement being hijacked by neocons to implement globalist agenda.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/131690

Research. Try it.

baoxian

Well at least we can't accuse Obama of changing his beliefs as the polls drift in the wind. Sure, he's just virulently opposed to US citizens and bordering on Captain Ahab-like, everything-be-damned quest to satisfy his ego (and Mexican drug lords), but at least he's consistent.
Trench_Raider

Eh.
While there is no doubt that the majority of Americans do indeed support SB 1070 (thus making the left once again on the wrong side of public opinion on an issue) 96% is probably way high. This was probably caused by the sample they took rather than any sinister attempt to “vote up” the poll ala Ron Paul.

Sadly, you are never going to have that kind of support for any agressive anti-illegal alien legislation. There will always be a hard core of people who are going to be against anything that targets illegals. There will be the (happily small minority) fools who do not believe in borders at all, the folks on the left who see the illegal issue (wrongly mind you) as a human rights issue, those who mistakenly buy into the idea that SB 1070 leads to profiling (talking about you here Vega), and the children who just hate or distrust law enforcement. Add to the this the unfortunate fact that a majority of legal hispanics are supportive of illegals for selfish, yet misguided reasons (they want their friends and neighbors to join them here in the US and don't respect the laws enough to want to see them follow the laws and not “cut in line”.) I have no idea of the actual numbers of the these various groups who will wind up opposing any agressive anti-illegal measure no matter the details. But I suspect that result is that you will never have anything over 90% suporting any such law.

TR

blkdragon

I also voted in this poll about a week ago. There were only 207,000 votes cast then and the numbers were VERY similar with 97% yes 3% no. Here's the rub TR. This was not a sampled poll. It was posted on MSNBC so anyone that stopped by could vote on it.
The very fact that MSNBC is getting such a large “yes” response to this must indicate strong public support. I'm not saying this poll wasn't “voted up”, but usually when and MSNBC poll is the target of a conservative vote up campaign the poll ends up looking like one would expect if there had been a proper sample of the U.S. population taken.
D-Vega

How can it not lead to profiling when the law was specifically written and passed to address the influx of Hispanics illegally immigrating to Arizona?

It's an ass-backwards way of addressing the issue, and mandates proof of innocence, which makes it automatically unConstitutional as soon as a citizen is asked. Which is highly likely in a state that is nearly 50% Hispanic, and has had a huge Hispanic population for generations. And virtually everyone who will be asked to show proof will be Hispanic.

I can't put it more simpler than that.

The Fed Gov't is mostly responsible for this, but that is only a limited excuse for AZ to treat their Hispanic population this way, a population that has been part of the heart and soul of “Dry Zone” since before it became a state.

Little Duane actually thinks that the Obama admin treats AZ worse than enemies of the country? He needs to wise up and get out more. Stop clicking polls on MSNBC over and over again. MSNBC barely gets 500K viewers in primetime. Better luck next time Duane.

baoxian

The law allows a reasonable search under lawful contact, which is valid under the 4th Amendment, you idiot. It's also supported by the Due Process Clause.

But anything to keep the drugs flowing, right vega? Which is your favorite cartel?

D-Vega

Asking for proof of citizenship or face arrest is NOT A SEARCH, baoxian. Searches happen all the time. The police in Arizona don't have any extra search and seizure power that they didn't have prior to this law. Sorry.

UFKA_Smithwick

Where do you suppose most of the illegals coming in to AZ are coming from? And what is the predominate ethnicity of that country?

If you guessed sweden and caucasion you'd be slightly off.

Too bad though, if the illegals were just lowly honkies then leftists wouldn't care even if the AZ bill mandated they be rounded up in to camps and gassed.
the_hawk

Come on, D! First of all, it IS constitutional for law enforcement to ask you for ID for ANY reason at all. Look at Muehler vs. Mena, a case that went to the US Supreme Court in 2005. The court ruled 9-0 that law enforcement can ask you for ID for any reason at all, including if they just felt like it. 9-0, that's unanimous, D. On the contrary, SB 1070 is more restrictive in that it requires the action be taken only during a legal stop or equivalent. Arizona police cannot simply walk up to you on the street and ask for identification.

You can also look up the “inherent authority” memo written in 2002 by the Justice Dept. Office of Legal Counsel that says “state police officers have “inherent power” to arrest undocumented immigrants for violating federal law”. That is the official Justice Dept. position on the issue and is the basis for the Arizona law.

And the only reason Hispanics will be hit the hardest is the fact that the vast majority of illegal aliens are from Mexico. Them's the breaks, my friend.

D-Vega

If you don't have ID in Arizona, it's not an arrestable offense.

the_hawk

They're not going to pull you over for not having ID. And they're not going to just walk up to you and ask, either. They could if they wanted to by federal law, but they won't because Arizona's law is more restrictive. How many times does that point have to be made? I notice you didn't read my earlier post to you. The one chock full of facts and legal precedent.
Jim

well put Hawk!
the_hawk

Thanks, Jim…

mightysamurai

It's an ass-backwards way of addressing the issue, and mandates proof of innocence, which makes it automatically unConstitutional as soon as a citizen is asked.

So when a police officer who pulls you over asks for your license and registration to prove that you are both legally allowed to drive and the rightful owner of the vehicle, he's violating your Constitutional rights?

Really?

Really D-Vega?

Real Politik

There is a reasonable chance the policeman does not pull you over because of your nut-brown skin.

Really!

the_hawk

Are you trying to imply that white people never get pulled over by the police? Really?
D-Vega

White people in Arizona won't be asked to prove citizenship if they don't have a driver's license.
Christopher_Taylor

Yes they will. The law requires it. Why don't you spend a few minutes reading the bill before posting again, and save everyone the tedium of explaining it to you, AGAIN.

D-Vega

That is the same for everyone, mighty. Pay attention.

Living_Right_In_CA

Why aren't you out protesting the current checkpoints on the 15N about 70 miles north of the border and on the 5N about 70 miles north of the border in California? As you drive through they are looking for illegal smuggling of products (including people). Do you think if you are white you have less chance of being searched than if you look hispanic? Where is your outrage DV? You are so far away from legal precedent and what the law states the only arguement you are making is that the police in AZ are racist pigs and want to make life miserable for all hispanics.
D-Vega

Checkpoints are for everyone. I've been to the border.
Living_Right_In_CA

The current AZ law is for everyone. I have read it three times and it makes no distinctions based upon race or any other characteristic / trait.
mightysamurai

So first it's wrong because it “mandates proof of innocence” and now it's wrong because it doesn't affect everybody equally.

Pick an argument and stick with it, D-Vega. Stop moving those goal posts before you throw your back out.
Christopher_Taylor

So? Why does it matter if the law targets lawbreakers? Give it up, Vega, or at least admit the real reason you don't like this law.

gfchicago

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick Vega… This is as stupid as practically strip searching granny at the airport looking for terrorist. It's not like they have a wave of hundreds of red haired blue eyed Irishmen coming across the boarder on a daily basis who the hell else are they supposed to be looking for? They damn well should be profiling. It would put an end to all of this nonsense we've been going through… That and fining the companies that hire them.

So a few people would be inconvenienced, maybe that would convince them to convince their brethren across the boarder not to come into this country illegally.

Besides the law specifically prohibits profiling. The Feds can stop you for any reason that they like.

The Constitution is not a suicide pact. This is Political Correctness run amouk. I'm beginning to think that none of the so called enlightened people of this century have a lick of horse sense (common).

Rose

GREAT POST, GFCHICAGO! GREAT POST!!!

Mr. EMT

Pretty racist of you to condemn hispanics as the only race that breaks the illegal immigration laws in Arizona.

I also missed the part where it is against any law to profile.

Rose

Oh, I like THAT! Yes, I do!

Christopher_Taylor

How can it not lead to profiling when the law was specifically written and passed to address the influx of Hispanics illegally immigrating to Arizona?

What's wrong with profiling? Its one of the most useful tools that law enforcement has to use, helping them narrow down and find bad guys. What on earth do you have against this logical, obvious, and common sense technique?

Allowing the police to make sure people are here illegally when they have probable cause to believe this may not be true is simply obvious and logical and common sense. You know what's insane? Your insistence that police not do so.
Trench_Raider

*sigh*
Others have done a pretty good job of putting you in your place on this one since yesterday, so I won't be too long winded.

Vega, why do you persist in peddling that tired old line about supposed “profiling” when it's been repetedly refuted in the last month or so? Since the law (which you clearly have not read…I have) contains specific language against profiling and ever single law enforcement agency in the state has regulations against it as well, why do you hate and distrust law enforcement to do their job and follow the laws?

Once again, yes Hispanics will catch the brunt of this law as they make up the majority of illegals in AZ. But rural Whites catch the brunt of the laws against meth. as they are the primary offenders in that crime, and young urban blacks are more likely to fall afoul of carjacking laws for the same reasons. But we don't see you whining about these laws.

Honestly I don't think you (or most who predict “profiling”) really believe half of what you say on the subject anyway. It's just an excuse. Face it, you would find some excuse to oppose ANY agressive and effective anti-illegal law.
Anyway, you guys are too late. Your side dropped the ball when you waited until the law actually got passed before they made a big national story about it. Had they done that, the negative publicity might have had an effect and stopped enough lawmakers from voting for it to kill it. But you missed your chance and now the thing is law. Once again your side is on the wrong side of an issue. It's really going to suck for you pro-criminal guys when after the test case goes through the courts a third of the country adopts similar laws.

Tr

Mahatma

Well it's a good thing you decided not to be long winded. LOL It would be so simple if your side wasn't wrong and we would aggresively punish employers of illegals.

Rose

Go back to your TM cloud in the sky. ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE ILLEGAL!

We have the Right of Self Defense.

It can get a LOT more basic than it is at this point. And you sure won't like it THEN!

gfchicago

One other thought wasn't it Harry S. Truman that started operation wetback???
gfchicago

Here is an interesting article about illegal immigration with more historical Presidents. http://tinyurl.com/2b3bxqj
DrEvil

Apparently 95% of Americans, at least the ones who voted on this poll, posted on the far-left MSNBC website, are out of the mainstream. Its nice to know that the One (PBUH) and the usua leftist suspects once again side with foreigners against their fellow American citizens.

Have an Evil day
Rose

TROLLS FROM ACORN NO DOUBT FOUND IT:

Results
Total of 666,546 votes

95.7%
Yes
637,585 votes
4.3%
No
28,961 votes

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