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The National Day of Prayer: atheists welcome.
Written By : TrogloPundit

Americans must be protected, lest our feelings be hurt. Our tender, tender feelings, and our lightly-held core beliefs.

Or, at least, you’d think that:

A federal court in Wisconsin decided Thursday that the country’s National Day of Prayer is unconstitutional because it calls on citizens to take part in religious activity.

U.S. District Court Judge Barbara B. Crabb ruled that the statute that created the National Day of Prayer violates the Constitution’s prohibition against the government establishment of religion.

Judge Crabb, an appointee of former President Jimmy Carter, wrote in her decision that ‘”some forms of ‘ceremonial deism,’ such as legislative prayer, do not violate the establishment clause.” But she said the National Day of Prayer goes too far.

I’d like to know what average, everyday atheists think about this. Does your average atheist really give a crap about the National Day of Prayer? Does he feel oppressed? Influenced? Offended?

Or does he feel more offended that feeling, caring people like Judge Crabb are so worried that he – she, they – are so weak-minded? That their beliefs can be so easily shaken?

As a TrogloPundit commenter pointed out, these questions cut both ways. A prayer at a high school graduation; a nativity scene on the local courthouse lawn; the words “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance don’t infringe on your ability to believe that Jesus was just some guy; that the Bible is a hateful and destructive piece of fiction; that there is no such thing as God at all.

On the other hand, not having the prayer; not placing a nativity scene on public property; removing those words from the Pledge doesn’t infringe on my faith, or how I choose to live out that faith.

Oh, I could make the case that the very act of removing such references from the public sphere is also a form of government influence, especially when long-held traditions are involved. Denying that long-held tradition says: this doesn’t belong.

But. All I really require from my government on any issue of faith: stay out of my way. You ignore me, I’ll ignore you, and everybody’s happy. Well, I’m happy. And that’s what counts.

Atheists should have the same attitude and – although it’s a fair bet your average atheist is also more likely to be politically liberal, and thus expect active government involvement in everyday life – I’ll bet many atheists do have that attitude.

I bet there are many atheists out there who don’t give a rat’s ass about the National Day of Prayer. I’ll bet there are atheists out there who think this whole “controversy” is stupid.

If nothing else, getting all the religious types busy praying will mean shorter lines at Starbucks.

Or, maybe a few atheists might show up at a NDoP service. Y’know, just to show Judge Crabb that their beliefs aren’t so easily shaken, not even by a federal statute.

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  • wcgreen

    As your average, everyday atheist, I can say that I most certainly did not feel oppressed by the NDoP, but I’m glad it’s been ruled unconstitutional. NDoP is an example of religion in government that doesn’t oppress or offend anyone, yet US government was meant to be secular. I would also like to take this opportunity to mention that atheism isn’t a belief. It’s lack thereof.

  • titusaureliusfelix

    I’ve been an atheist my entire adult life. But I’ve also been very conservative in terms of small government and absolute freedom. I have the freedom to choose to ignore religion. And I appreciate those who give me my space, and let me live my life the way I want. It’s America, I (should) have that right. But I think that if the majority of America wants a national day of prayer, then let them have it. I don’t care. Secular or non secular, our country treats Christians differently than other religious groups. If there were enough Muslims calling for stricter Islamic laws in America (which would almost certainly infringe on personal freedom much more than any modern Christian or Jewish values, which is the nature of Islam), liberals would cave for fear of offending minorities. Christmas is a national holiday, I don’t hear too many people complaining about that. Except for extreme liberals who always complain for the sake of complaining.

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    Posted by wcgreen
    2010-04-17 18:18:51

    If you yourself admit that the National Day of Prayer does not infringe on your rights in the slightest, why is it necessary to get rid of it? Isn’t the spirit of American liberty basically summed up as “you have the right to do anything that doesn’t infringe on the rights of others”? If the NDoP doesn’t infringe on your rights, why must it be gotten rid of?

    And incidentally, you’re wrong. Atheism is a belief. A belief, by definition, is an assertion that is not or cannot be backed up by proof. The idea that there is no God, that the universe formed completely on its own without any prior cause, is utterly unprovable. Therefore, it is a belief.

    There’s nothing wrong with admitting you have beliefs, you know. Those of us who believe in God do it all the time. We call it “faith”. It’s a perfectly natural and normal thing to have.

  • Toastrider

    “Atheism Is Also A Religious Position,” Dorfl rumbled.

    “No it’s not!” said Constable Visit. “Atheism is the denial of a god.”

    “Therefore It Is A Religious Position,” said Dorfl. “Indeed, A True Atheist Thinks Of The Gods Constantly, Albeit In Terms Of Denial. Therefore, Atheism Is A Form Of Belief. If The Atheist Truly Did Not Believe, He Or She Would Not Bother To Deny.”

    –from Terry Pratchett’s Feet Of Clay

  • zimmy

    Deny what?

    Fixed.

  • http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

    Atheism is a belief, its just not an organized, communal belief in the way that religions typically are. Atheists want to believe that religious belief and faith are optional and they’ve opted out; that’s a ridiculous self deception.

  • ilieklolcatz

    For some reason, my original nick, ilieklolcatz was changed to wcgreen. Anyway, it’s me.

    @mightysamurai: Suppose you were living in a constitutionally secular government country with a majority Muslim population (say Turkey). Would it offend you if the so-called secular government declared national days of prayer? Probably not. But does that go against the original intent of the authors of the constitution to have a government free of religious preferences? It sure does.

    Concerning the non-argument of atheism being a belief. Tell me, is not believing in unicorns an act of faith?

    I don’t know if RWN will automatically block this link thinking it’s spam, but I’ll try this anyway. Here’s an article from Iron Chariots wiki that explains the matter more clearly.

    http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Atheism_is_based_on_faith

  • http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

    But does that go against the original intent of the authors of the constitution to have a government free of religious preferences? It sure does.

    Not in any way. Thomas Jefferson declared the Treasury Building open to use as a church while President. Why? Not enough churches had been built in DC yet.

    The US constitution does not ban congress from suggesting people set aside a day to pray for the nation in whatever capacity they believe. In no way does the 1st amendment ban this, not even remotely.

    It is unconstitutional for congress to spend any money whatsoever on such a day – or any other day for that matter – because the 10th amendment prohibits that kind of thing, but a national day of prayer does not especially violate the constitution.

  • Tom_pinko_Delay

    I don’t see any constitutional issue with a National Day of Prayer. But do you really need the government telling you when to pray? I don’t do it myself, but I was under the impression that prayer is a deeply personal thing between a person and their God. What does that have to do with the government (or another person for that matter)?

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