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Understatement of the Year.

Written By : TrogloPundit

The story, via Greg Sargent:

This is absolutely brutal: Massachusetts Dems have dropped a mail piece accusing GOP Senate candidate Scott Brown of wanting hospitals to turn away “all” rape victims.

…The mailer — paid for by the Massachusetts Democratic Party — says the claim is based on “a law to let emergency hospitals turn away rape victims in need of emergency contraception.” That appears to be a reference to a Brown-sponsored 2005 amendment that would have exempted hospital personnel, on religious grounds, to inform victims of the availability of the morning after pill.

Here’s pictures, also from Sargent:

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Sargent writes:

…the whole debate seems to be more nuanced than the mailer suggests.

The word “understatement” doesn’t quite capture the complete insufficiency of that sentence. That mailer an ugly lie. Shockingly dishonest.

And who, exactly, will it convince? Will people really believe that? That Scott Brown wants hospitals to turn rape victims away? Or will they be disgusted by what is so obviously pulled…not just from the mud at the bottom of the river. No, they had to dig through the mud and into a sewer line for this one.

But somebody obviously thinks this will work. Someone in the Democratic Party thinks this is a winning tactic. So…I dunno. Maybe somebody who knows very little about the race – honestly undecided voters, maybe those people who don’t even know right now whether they will vote on Tuesday – maybe something like this might alter perceptions, just a little, and turn people away from Brown when the moment arrives?

(Posted by The TrogloPundit)

http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

ALl Democrats are liars, as well as racists.
http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

Meanwhile Coakley says Roman Catholics ought to be banned from working in Emergency Rooms – in a dominantly Catholic state.
rmiller

Is it just me or is RWN starting to lose any alternative narratives?

I thought discussion and dialogue was the hallmark of this site.

What I have seen…looking at the threads for this week… is that there are very few liberals posting on this site.

I understand that this is a ‘rightwing’ site….but even my conservative friends must get tired of congratulating each other.

Even if you think you are correct in your analysis…doesn’t it bother conservatives that you are losing any alternative interpretation?

It’s one thing to think you are right…it’s another thing to post in a vacuum.
libliever

Posted by rmiller
2010-01-16 20:01:11

It’s a big whatever rmiller.
Look at what Nixon said: ‘ALL democrats are liars…’

I mean how do you respond to that intelligently. You don’t.
Let them spew their crap it’s their right and leave ‘em the hell alone.

Personally, I don’t think the race here in my bigoted, prevaricating state will be as close as the liberal media is making it out to be however I do believe it will be closer than the dems want it to be and maybe, although I doubt it, that will be a wake up call.
I bet there will be a very high voter turnout indeed.
rmiller

I mean how do you respond to that intelligently. You don’t.
Posted by libliever
2010-01-16 20:33:04

Agreed.

That’s the challenge for a site like this. I know the die-hards don’t care. But there are others who would like to be challenged. I think of posters like Mr. Dalasio, Professor Friedman, AlexinCt, and even some who don’t post here anymore like Trenchraider.

The right wing does have a point to make….I’m just not sure they are being served well here.
Jack Schite

Nixon is a perfect example of why Sarah Palin is popular with the right. They prefer shallow perspectives and simple explanations in the face of a complex world.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Jack Schite is a sockpuppet of a banned poster who impersonated being a conservative.

Libliever, you don’t have to respond to Nixon. You aren’t in Nixon’s league, so, do what you wish.

rmiller, you have yet to make a logical response or a accurate response to any topic.

Coakley is a joke, just like the failed Obama Administration.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Nixon noticed that the three liberal fuckheads above did not condemn the lie being pushed by the Democratic Party as the article highlighted. Typical hypocritical leftists to the core. Except for Jack, he is just pretending to be a liberal.
http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

Talk about a classic example of missing the plank in your own eyes to yell about the speck in another’s. No condemnation at all for the leftist lie in that ad, but lots of sound and fury against one line in the article.
libliever

“Libliever, you don’t have to respond to Nixon. You aren’t in Nixon’s league, so, do what you wish.”

Thank-you Nixon.
I do believe you are in a league all by yourself.
tblrk2006

I think they are too quick too judge (too stupid) to know what they are doing. I can give a real example. Friends wife voted for obamby for all the popular reasons. Question her on even one and she folds like a piece of paper. Doesn’t know him from a toaster.
Bill_Dalasio

Posted by rmiller
2010-01-16 20:01:11

Mr. Miller,

With all due respect, exactly when did Right Wing News have liberal posters? Yes, there have always been liberal commenters. A good many have been trolls. But some, like you, Vega, huck, or even libliever, have attempted to argue the merits of your point. I’ll say I don’t agree with the commenters who lump you in with the likes of Jack Schite or whats_up. It’s unfair and less than honest.

That said, your response here doesn’t live up to the good faith that many other commenters and I are ascribing to you. Are these ads out of line or not? Are these tactics something you feel comfortable reflecting your side of the argument, or not?
libliever

“Are these ads out of line or not?”

Of course they are.

“Are these tactics something you feel comfortable reflecting your side of the argument, or not?”

I don’t like these tactics at all frankly. Never have. Brown is pro-choice for the most part so politically it could be a miscalculation. However in MA where just about everybody is pretty liberal even a kernel of truth to such an outrageous ad could benefit Coakley.
That’s politics at its unsavory best but that’s how it works.
It will be interesting to see if Coakley wins if it was on the weight of her negative campaigning or not.
http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

Of course they are.

Then why has it taken you this long to say so? Why was your first comment a whiny screed about the tenor of the debate on this site, rather than a statement decrying, y’know, the actual content of this post? If this is so obviously wrong and you “don’t like these tactics at all” and “never have”, then why did this statement have to be coaxed out of you?
http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

That’s politics at its unsavory best but that’s how it works.

Why do I get the feeling that if Scott Brown had run an ad claiming Coakley wants to force Catholic hospital workers to perform abortions on underage girls, you wouldn’t be saying this?
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Sam, libliever is struggling to hide the hypocrisy in it’s reply.
Bill_Dalasio

That’s politics at its unsavory best but that’s how it works.

So, the ends justify the means, libliever? As long as Coakley is a reliable vote in the right direction, it’s all good? I haven’t heard you (or rmiller or Vega or huck, for that matter) say much against Ms. Coakley.
libliever

Posted by mightysamurai
2010-01-17 10:08:20

I got sidetracked with Nixon’s all encompassing bigoted comment about libs so sue me.

Posted by mightysamurai
2010-01-17 10:09:31

Geez, I only thought lefties went by ‘feel’:)

I don’t even recall getting that mailer because they all go in the recycle bin they get a cursory glance and then off they go into the recycle bin. Ditto if Coakley sent one with your hypothetical, for that matter, ditto to all political mailers they all go in the recycle bin.
libliever

Posted by Bill_Dalasio
2010-01-17 11:10:06

Coakley is an adequate replacement for Kennedy but just barely. Nobody can replace the ‘liberal lion’ so I can’t fault her too much.
But, she’s flat and unimaginative. I don’t think she is a very good politician as of yet and frankly I don’t think she ever will be a very good politician.
http://conservativebootcamp.com martinhale

That’s politics at its unsavory best but that’s how it works.

Through your passive acceptance through tolerance of unsavoury politics, you’re acknowledging that the whole “hope and change” meme which was supposed to be so transformative was really just a line of BS to dupe the voting public. Nice. Finally glad to hear it from a liberal operative.

It seems that if you all were really committed to rooting out “politics at its unsvoury best”, or eliminating “politics as usual”, you’d be doing that within your own ranks as well as outside the party. I think the history of legislative manoeuvres used with the health care bills in the House and Senate tell us all we need to know about the Dems’ committment to transforming politics.
libliever

Posted by martinhale
2010-01-17 11:34:32

Fine Martin take the high road.
I keep forgetting that you guys are so morally superior to the rest of us.
rmiller

That said, your response here doesn’t live up to the good faith that many other commenters and I are ascribing to you. Are these ads out of line or not? Are these tactics something you feel comfortable reflecting your side of the argument, or not?

Posted by Bill_Dalasio
2010-01-17 04:30:39

I don’t have a problem with anyone pointing out the hypocrisy that often comes with drawing a line in the sand. As I said, I have respect for many of the posters here. Lines of decorum are crossed by both parties, and that includes the Dems and liberals.

I often agree that the ‘left’ goes over the lines that they criticize the ‘right’ for crossing.

These ads may be wrong. I don’t live in Mass., nor do understand that state’s politics. As stated… ‘the whole debate seems to be more nuanced than the mailer suggests.’

And that’s OK by me…the voters of Mass. will determine their own interpretation of the nuances.

It wasn’t a criticism of the right that led to my original post. It was general frustration that we can’t seems to talk to each other. If I were to post on the Daily Kos or Dem. Underground I would have made the same observation….

And you are correct, and I will remember the difference…”With all due respect, exactly when did Right Wing News have liberal posters? Yes, there have always been liberal commenters.” I am a commentator, not a poster.
I am, perhaps, revealing my age and lack of understanding of the rules, in thinking that because I post I am a poster :)
Smithwick

Pshaw. Amateurs.

I remember when GW Bush was running for reelection in Texas and they ran an ad using the daughter of the Mr. Byrd (guy dragged to death by white supremacists) saying “when he didn’t pass that hate crimes legislature it was like they killed my daddy all over again”. Failing to point out that under Bush those three received 2 death penalties and one life in prison. Never mind that, from the ad you’d swear Bush was keen on releasing racist murderers with a free truck (compliments of the state of Texas).

I love democrats when they get desperate. That thin veneer of sophistication they are so proud of slips away so easily revealing something that is very ugly and disturbing.
http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

I got sidetracked with Nixon’s all encompassing bigoted comment about libs so sue me.

How very typical of a liberal to make excuses rather than take responsibility for his own words and actions.

I don’t even recall

I didn’t ask you if you recalled such a thing, I asked you what your reaction would be.

You say “that’s how it works” as if that makes it okay for Coakley to blatantly lie about her opponent in order to pick up a few extra approval points, but if Scott Brown, a Republican, had done something similar you would never say such a ridiculous thing and you know it. You would be here demanding that Brown and all his supporters immediately retract the statement and denounce it publicly.

I keep forgetting that you guys are so morally superior to the rest of us.

We’re not the ones peddling this “it’s okay to lie if it helps you get elected” meme, Libleiver. That would be you.
CoolCzech

We’re not the ones peddling this “it’s okay to lie if it helps you get elected” meme, Libleiver. That would be you.
Posted by mightysamurai
2010-01-17 15:18:50

Let’s not forget Ed Schultz openly calling for liberals to attempt to vote “ten times” in Massachusetts come Tuesday. Honestly, can you just imagine if Rush called on conservatives to do the same?
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http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

I keep forgetting that you guys are so morally superior to the rest of us.

You wouldn’t feel the need to be defensive if your side wasn’t so unbelievably sleazy and you weren’t so reluctant to condemn it.
http://conservativebootcamp.com martinhale

Fine Martin take the high road.
I keep forgetting that you guys are so morally superior to the rest of us.

Look, lib, you can rail at the messenger all you wish, but the truth is that the Democratic Party made a concerted two-year effort to convince the electorate that what they were on about was a massive ‘re-envisioning’ of American politics in the direction of becoming an inclusive, transparent process, one which actually accommodates the views of all, not just those ‘ruling’ the country. They sold that line hard for two-full years standing in line behind Mr. Obama.

But as soon as they actualised their dream and won control of both houses of Congress and the White House, did they do what they had said for two years they were going to do? Nope. In fact, they’ve treated the voting public to the most protracted display of one-sided power politics that we’ve seen in the modern era. Voting for multi-thousand page bills (worth multiple trillions of your and my money, btw) which members haven’t read, let alone analysed; shutting the opposition out of committees, sub-committees and panels simply because they don’t like their politics; purposefully hiding the debate on health care so that corporations, industry groups, special interest groups and unions can cut their backroom deals in private without ever worrying about taking a black eye which might come with full disclosure; not criticising leftist operatives who make statements like Mr. Schultz’ recent outburst on committing voter fraud “for the cause”.

And then the apologists such as yourself come into places such as this and excuse the f*ck out of all of that behaviour because it gets you where you want politically and none of you seem to give a f*ck about what long-term impact it has on the political process of the nation – you’re gettin’ yours and that’s all that matters. Suddenly the politics of divisiveness and deception are OK enough for the likes of you – you give lip service to saying that you all don’t like that type of politics, but I don’t see anyone on your side scrambling to make it stop, including you. Your responce was a tepid (and I paraphrase) ‘that’s how politics is played so just accept it and move on’.

I’ll challenge you everyday of the week if you’re on the side that said they were going to change everything about politics in order to make it a more transparent and even-handed process and then turns around and passive accepts the politics of the past with little more than a figurative shrug of your shoulders and an excuse.
libliever

Posted by martinhale
2010-01-18 08:38:33

I appreciate your passion Martin. Geezlouise!

What’s his name, oh yah Scott Brown, let’s say he gets in and btw he has a very good shot, because you know Dems are afraid of snow and it is snowing like crazy here and only Republicans have awd trucks to go vote, anyways I digress, do you really think he is going to be ANY different?
But you know what the ironic thing here is Martin it isn’t them it’s us.
We keep voting them in and thus maintaining the status quo which is Washington.
That behemoth down there they call Congress and the WH has so much inertia in the wrong direction that nothing short of an earth destroying meteor is goint to alter its course.
Just look at Brown’s campaign slogans.
He says the same. old. thing. over and over again again that every other politician has said on both sides.
If it makes you happy a pox on both parties. Alright Martin?
A pox on both parties!!
http://conservativebootcamp.com martinhale

But you know what the ironic thing here is Martin it isn’t them it’s us.
We keep voting them in and thus maintaining the status quo which is Washington.

Ahh, the ultimate excuse – the pols aren’t responsible for their own despicable behaviour – it’s our fault. We have no right to expect them to act properly and correctly because we’re flawed ourselves.

Please.

Got any other homilies from the land of moral relativism you’d care to share with us?
libliever

Posted by martinhale
2010-01-18 09:46:32

You’re truly amazing.
It must be all those degrees you have for you have an answer for everything.
Indeed, you are correct, and I bow before you.
The light I see comes not from my monitor but the halo that shines through like a thousand suns from atop your maginificient cranium.
I humbly do beseech you of your pardon, my lord, and now, with your permission, will go forth outside to finish the snow removal.
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