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Written By : TrogloPundit

“I don’t believe in the no-win scenario.” Captain James T. Kirk

Who should conservatives be: Captain Kirk or John Galt? Duane Lester’s asking that question over at All American Blogger. James T. Kirk – the brash young Starfleet officer who became a brash old Starfleet officer who refuses to accept defeat no matter the odds. John Galt – the scientific and capitalist genius whose strategy for defeating socialism smacks of doing just that: accepting defeat, if only temporarily.

Duane writes:

Captain Kirk then attacked his challenges head on, often risking his own life to achieve victory.

John Galt, the hero in Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged,” looked at his own no-win scenario and took a different approach. With not only his company, but his country, rushing towards collectivism, he felt the total collapse of the nation was inevitable. So he quit. He went on strike.

And he took the best of the best with him. One by one he talked the heads of industry into disappearing, leaving the looters to search for another mine to strip.

It would be like Kirk leaving the Enterprise and taking Spock, McCoy and Scotty.

Duane’s got a larger point about whether conservatives are, in fact, facing a no-win scenario today. Not politically, maybe, but ideologically: has the reactor of collectivism reached critical mass? Is it even possible to advance the causes of individual and economic liberty anymore?

Whatever your answer is, what will you do next? Duane writes:

…(Galt) felt the total collapse of the nation was inevitable. So he quit. He went on strike.

…Galt felt what he was facing could not be stopped. So he chose to speed it along its path and pick up the pieces after it collapsed.

Kirk fights. Galt walks.

To digress a little, I’d suggest that both (fictional) men are, in fact, doing the same thing: fighting. They’re just using different tactics in response to the situations in front of them.

For example, remember those really bad floods we had along the Mississippi back in 1993? Over a thousand levees between Minnesota and Missouri failed. Seventy thousand people displaced. Twelve thousand acres of farmland ruined.

All along the river, for hundreds of miles, local communities fought against the flood, and one by one they failed to hold it back.

The question came up: should we be fighting to save every community along the river? Or should we purposely allow a few to be swallowed up – purposely lose those areas; maybe even help the flood along, somehow – in order to lessen the pressure downriver?

Sacrifice a few to save more, or fight for them all and probably lose them all?

It’s like a battlefield commander letting the enemy advance into friendly territory, because there’s a better battlefield behind you. A tactical retreat now gives you a better chance of ultimate victory later.

That’s what Galt was doing. Not quitting. Not walking. He simply shifted tactics: rather than continue to fight a rearguard action, he let the looters advance so far that they could no longer hold what they had, and then he counterattacked.

Problem being, society really had to crumble in order for his tactics to work. If that was going to work, North Korea would have changed governments a long time ago. Yeah, okay, so China’s helping them out. Still. The point is: there’s no Galt’s Gulch. Society crumbles, we all have to live in it. Society gets more socialist, we all have to live in it.

So. While the pseudo-utopianism of the Star Trek universe hardly seems the place for an economic libertarian to find inspiration (especially compared to “Atlas Shrugged”), let’s take Kirk over Galt.

It’s…um…more realistic.

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  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    Modeling your life after the actions of a fictional character is a terrible idea. In reality, the only reason the actions of James T. Kirk and John Galt succeeded was because their respective writers wanted them to. In the real world James T. Kirk would have gotten himself blown up, eaten, executed, or phasered to death a thousand times over. John Galt would have found his secret community surrounded by National Guard divisions by the end of the novel.

  • Toastrider

    And then what?

    I mean, seriously — what were they going to do? Drag Galt back to his company, and demand he ‘make money’? Sure, they could threaten him, but that strikes me as a bad idea.

    And as far as Kirk goes, allow me to introduce you to a fellow by the name of Napoleon Bonaparte. You’d be surprised how far you can go on sheer audacity.

    The administration should hope and pray we’re just modeling on John Galt or James Kirk. Their lives will be much, much more ‘interesting’ if more people start emulating Simon Jester. Or Samuel Vimes.

  • Tennwriter

    John Ringo dealt with Galt in The Last Centurion where he has his hero state….

    In Case One, a mostly free society, there is not one gidget that is necessary. There are thousands of gidgets, and people quite willing to make a replica if the original gidget maker takes a hike.

    In Case Two, an unfree society…”Hi, we’re with the KGB. If you ever want to see your daughter again, get working reactionary pig.”

    In my view, John Galt can have some advantages on the sides. He slows things down, he serves as a speed bump to warn the collectivists.

    As to Audacity, yes. Attack. Ronald Reagan spoke of the ashheap of history. Its surprising how fragile the Left is, if you really push them. Reagan trashed with Bush’s help, the Soviet Empire.

    A Sixty Percent Victory in 2012 might be out there.

    But you have to break the hold of the RINOs. You have to go Full Tilt No Apologies Conservative. The moneymen have to get on board. The RNC has to get on board.

    And when I say Conservatism, I mean Social Conservatism. The Whole Enchilada. National Defense, Fiscal Responsibility, and Traditional Values. And not defensively, but aggressively pursure this course.

    1. Attack the State Department. Promise to fire anyone who’s every accepted one dollar from the Saudis.
    2. Most of the Stimulus Money has not been spent. In 2010, when you get a majority, pass a bill to rescind the Stimulus.
    3. Have State AG’s investigate ACORN.
    4. Drill, Baby, Drill.
    5. The Fence!! This is the least popular of the socon positions. Which means it has only 70% favorability.
    6. Yes, I’m a Creationist, just like 89% of Americans. (This is another example of the fragility of the Left. Yeah, they sound big and bad, but the people and the evidence and the Truth is against them. Attack!)
    7. Force the AGW people in the US to open their books. Those guilty of cooking the books need to see the inside of a jail.

    And let me be clear, that list could go on to twenty items and more.

    A Sixty Percent Victory is out there.

  • Realpolitik

    Reagan trashed with Bush’s help, the Soviet Empire.
    Posted by Tennwriter
    2009-11-28 12:55:11

    LOL

    Ths is one cwaaaaazy re-write of history. Read no further. The rest is buffoonery.

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    LOL

    Ths is one cwaaaaazy re-write of history. Read no further. The rest is buffoonery.
    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-11-28 13:52:16

    the only one trying to re-write history here is you, never-show.

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    And then what?

    They crack a few heads and maybe “accidentally” kill some people. Why, what did you think the government did to break up strikes?

  • arthur_branch

    Posted by Realpolitik
    2009-11-28 13:52:16

    Why are you here? Seriously, why are you here? You bring nothing to the debate, your posts border on inanity most of the time and you are a proven liar.

    I repeat… why are you here?

  • Toastrider

    Hold on a sec, Mighty.

    *wedgies Realpolitik and throws him into a locker*

    There. OK. Now, to address your bit about cracking heads. Unfortunately for the administration, there is a substrata of citizenry who, bluntly put, are buying ammo and prepping for the next civil war. And they’re also operating on the assumption of ‘let’s not kill the rank and file, let’s kill the folks giving orders’.

    I’m not arguing the government won’t resort to force. I am saying they might be surprised at the backlash.

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    Posted by Toastrider
    2009-11-29 09:01:27

    Maybe so, but the fact of the matter is that the situation as described in Atlas Shrugged only unfolded the way it did because Ayn Rand wanted it to. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing. It’s in the very nature of fiction for things to happen because the author wants them to happen. But that’s why we call it “fiction” and not “reality”. In the real world I don’t think things would turn out as well as Ayn Rand imagined they would.

    Remember, there have been actual, real-life cases where the government broke up striking workers using severe, even lethal force. But I don’t remember any massive uprising by the American people after the Homestead Strike of 1892, the Seattle General Strike, the Haymarket Massacre, or the Minneapolis Teamsters Strike of 1934.

    And I don’t buy this notion that there are people out there “prepping for the next civil war”. I’m sure there are people who think that’s what they’re doing, but by and large I don’t think most Americans really have the stomach to wage war on their neighbors and brothers.

  • cabby

    I suggest we do both a Galt and a Kirk. Withdraw support financial and otherwise from this Socialist government while fighting in what ever manner possible against them. To me it’s not an either or situation. Not many can afford to withdraw completely and as an American I wouldn’t choose that even if I could. Those who think that if it comes down to a personal assault on Americans there won’t be any fighting are wrong. It need not be your neighbors your fighting, in fact if things get that bad I’d say your neighbors will be on your side. Saying your a Democrat to most ordinary people doesn’t mean you want the U.S. taken over by a communistic run government. In fact your Democrat neighbor might be the one loaning you ammunition when you run out.

  • Toastrider

    Mighty, I hope to God you’re right, because the alternatives really suck.

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