The Dodger In Chief Decides Not To Accept Any Recommendations On Afghanistan

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The Dodger In Chief Decides Not To Accept Any Recommendations On Afghanistan

Written By : William Teach

There was only so far I could milk the use of “The Decider” in a sarcastic tone when applied to Barack H. Obama. Henceforth, he shall be known as “The Dodger In Chief.” And The Dodger is doing his normal on Afghanistan

President Barack Obama does not plan to accept any of the Afghanistan war options presented by his national security team, pushing instead for revisions to clarify how and when U.S. troops would turn over responsibility to the Afghan government, a senior administration official said Wednesday.

OK, he isn’t going to accept any plan provided to him. What is his plan? Does he have one? 10 months into his presidency, perhaps it is high time to formulate one? Then again, 10 months in, it is high time to formulate an actual plan to deal with the economy.

That stance comes in the midst of forceful reservations about a possible troop buildup from the U.S. ambassador in Afghanistan, Karl Eikenberry, according to a second top administration official.

In strongly worded classified cables to Washington, Eikenberry said he had misgivings about sending in new troops while there are still so many questions about the leadership of Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

Shocker! He’s taking the advice of the guy who says he should just keep throwing over to first base to avoid throwing to the plate. Tough decisions are just not in his makeup. Unless they are on which American(s) to demean.

Uncle Jimbo writes

He has already had the advice of his entire military chain of command with a near unanimous call for for reinforcements to move to the strategy that won in Iraq. We have watched as he has heard from the deep wisdom of Joe Biden and Rahm Emanuel. We have seen him dither and quibble and show a completely ineffectual and uncommitted face to our enemies and the rest of the world. Now months after his hand-picked commander has told him the situation is bad and getting worse, our troops in the field fight and die without the support of their Commander in Chief. He sent 21,000 more brave men and women there and now they are flappin’ in the breeze. How can a squad leader look his men in the eyes and tell them to saddle up and head out on a patrol, perhaps to be the last to die for a cause their President no longer believes in?

If Obama is not going to put any more troops in Afghanistan, he needs to decide. Now.

Update: Some more interesting words to replace the use of a sarcastic “Decider in Chief.” Blogs For Victory: The Ditherer. Legal Insurrection: The Dawdler In Chief.

I still want to know what President Neophytes proposals are.

Mike_M

“Some more interesting words to replace the use of a sarcastic “Decider in Chief.”

Barack Hussein Gorbachev
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Obamateur sure ran his mouth about how the Afghanistani theater of operations was where all of his attention would be focucsed.

The poor dumb sap can’t even make a decision other than voting present. Oh well, at least we know he is good at that.
whats_up

Of course he shouldnt send troops unless there is an exit strategy.
tblrk2006

Of course he shouldnt send troops unless there is an exit strategy.
Posted by whats_up
2009-11-12 10:09:10

The exit strategy is to win first. That has always been the way wars have been faught. You dont go in with the half ass plan to try a little but make sure you know how to leave. This is exactly why losers like you cant be incharge of something so important. What is the point of going in to try for a little as you would have us do? MIght as well stay home if your not going to give it your all.
airfr8er

Posted by whats_up
2009-11-12 10:09:10
2005 called. It wants it’s talking point back.
whats_up

2005 called. It wants it’s talking point back.
Posted by airfr8er
2009-11-12 10:25:05

Its has true now as it was then.
whats_up

Posted by tblrk2006
2009-11-12 10:14:43

This from the ilk that wants to put Muslims in camps, no wonder your strategy fails every time. What does victory look like in Afghanistan? At what point is it up to the people of Afghanistan to handle their own affairs?
whats_up

The exit strategy is to win first. That has always been the way wars have been faught. You dont go in with the half ass plan…

Posted by tblrk2006
2009-11-12 10:14:43

Sure would have been nice if our former President and his advisors had thought this way, unfortunatly they didnt.
BIG

I think I have figured out Obama’s war plans. The drawdown will continue in Iraq without regard to what is left there. I expect the Iranians to pick up the pressure there in the coming months and we will see an increased bombing activity there. He is going to lose Iraq, just so slowly that it doesn’t occur on his watch.

His plans for Afghanistan are even more sinister. He wants another Vietnam. He will send enough troops there to increase the body count and continue to tinker with the ROE until we get to the point where the soldiers can’t kill any enemy. The public will turn on Afghanistan completely and Obama will get the unconditional surrender he desires. Afterall, he has already said that victory in Afghanistan is not an option, so why would he even consider a plan that might bring it about?

And the left and the media will just blame it all on Bush for taking the fight to our enemies instead of instituting Sharia like they wanted.
RtWingNtCase

I thought Afghanistan was the “good” war, the one Iraq was distracting from. Or was that all just campaign rhetoric that you folks had no intention of following through on once elected(like I warned a year ago)?

Does it make you feel good to play politics like this with national security? Do you enjoy being a manipulator and liar? You fooled most of the people last November, so we’ll see the consequences now of your being so jaded.

BTW, this whole blaming the former administration thing is getting a little old after nearly a year in office. We can’t change the past, so I’ll ask you – what’s YOUR plan? What would be YOUR exit strategy. If we pull out and the Taliban come back to power, how do YOU plan to keep them from attacking us?

I know, however, that you’ll obnfuscate and refuse to answer, so whip out your platitudes instead of answering the questions, b/c we all know that solutions are not part of your character.
CoolCzech

Of course he shouldnt send troops unless there is an exit strategy.
Posted by whats_up
2009-11-12 10:09:10

Did FDR have an “exit strategy” during WW2?

Why, Yes: it was called VICTORY.

But of course… the present Loser-in-Chief doesn’t believe in American Victory. So what we have is a Dithering Strategy… God knows how many soldiers’ lives this turd will throw away for no discrentible strategic goal whatsoever. And for THAT, the Left swoons over him.

Unreal.
CoolCzech

ummm… I meant, “discernible.”
Mike_M

Obama chose sides over the summer, big. The Iranians rose up against the radical Islamic system, and Obama gave the mullahs the ok to round up, torture, and murder the dissidents. He never followed through on sanctions for the murders, and he never followed through on sanctions against Iran’s nuclear program. Iran rejected the uranium exchange proposal and Obama said and did nothing.

He’s not following through on Afghanistan, and is only seeing success in Iraq because he put the Bush plan on autopilot while Iran and AQ haven’t changed strategy there.

I don’t know which is worse…that Obama can’t decide or his “National Security Team” is too incompetent to create a plan credible even to Obama.

We haven’t seen more shots of Obama in the Oval Office because there’s a life-size cardboard cutout of Bush holding Truman’s “The Buck Stops Here” sign. This President and his executive branch are completely out of their leauge, lost, and clueless.
whats_up

Posted by CoolCzech
2009-11-12 11:00:35

What does victory look like in Afganistan CC? How do we know when we will be victorious? Remember we are not fighting a standing army here like FDR was in WW2, Afghanistan didnt invade anyone, they didnt occupy any other country, we arent fighting the armed forces of Afghanistan, so please tell us what does victory look like?
BIG

Obama already has his exit strategy in place. More body bags. As their numbers continue to increase, all support for the war against Islamic militants will cease. He will be telling Americans all over the world they are on their own. Many will leave places where they do not feel safe. This includes Dearborn.

As the attacks continue to increase on Americans, not only will nothing be done about it, but we will see the blame being put on the Americans themselves instead of the perps. Just like Ft. Hood. Not one person in the White House has even suggested that Islamic militancy might have had something to do with it.
BIG

What does victory look like in Afganistan CC?
Posted by whats_up
2009-11-12 11:05:43

Young girls attend schools. Young boys attending schools learning math and science instead of only memorizing passages of the Koran. People being able to vote for their representation in government. People going out into the streets without constant fear of being blown up. THat is what victory would look like if Obama wanted to win in Afghanistan.

But since he doesn’t have this vision, we will only see more death and destruction. To paraphrase Alan Grayson, “Democrats want you to die.”
CoolCzech

What does victory look like in Afganistan CC? How do we know when we will be victorious? Remember we are not fighting a standing army here like FDR was in WW2, Afghanistan didnt invade anyone, they didnt occupy any other country, we arent fighting the armed forces of Afghanistan, so please tell us what does victory look like?
Posted by whats_up
2009-11-12 11:05:43

It looks like a government firmly in charge of the country, with the Taliban eliminated as a threat.

And by the way: weren’t you Lefties saying exactly the same thing about Iraq?

But let’s assume Obama TRULY believes there is “no victory possible” in Afghanistan… IF that is so, why doesn’t he get the hell out, and stop wasting American lives?

That’s all he’s doing, at the moment… because he sure as hell is not pursuing a strategy for victory, like he should.
Mike_M

“Obama already has his exit strategy in place. More body bags.”

Sadly you’re probably right. Obama would never make the call to end the war, nor does he appear interested in winning it. His strategy is to vote present until the war turns into a big enough disaster that conservatives and liberals alike demand he gets the troops out.

Once everybody is united in defeat, he can claim he had no choice and was just doing the will of the people instead of making a judgement call.

Utterly spineless, gutless, and reprehensible.
Bill_Dalasio

I’ve said this before: Barack Obama has set up Stanley McChrystal to be the fall guy for Afghanistan. The President either believes the war cannot be won or doesn’t care to do what is necessary to win it. On the other hand he does not want the political fallout of losing the war or bugging out. As a result, he will dither and dodge until conditions on the ground make withdrawal a fait accompli and then leave McChrystal to take the blame for losing Afghanistan.
Realpolitik

Someone asked for solutions in Afghanistan.

1) get out and soon

2) increase troops by whatever thousands necessary to defeat the enemy. Does the US have that amount available? Will the American public accept the thousands of American dead?

3) legalize the currently illegal drugs in the US and remove the financial base of the Taliban.
http://regularguy regularguy

My prayers are with the dead servicemen and their families, both past and future, whose sacrifices will have been for absolutely naught. Obama is utterly dishonoring their sacrifices and will severely damage military morale and discipline for personally seeing to it we lose in Afghanistan. Who will fight for the country when this completely incompetent and gutless president will but throw away their ultimate sacrifices to please his godless, evil leftist base? I’m not sure what victory will amount to in Afghanistan, but we are about to see first hand what our humiliating loss will look like.
whats_up

It looks like a government firmly in charge of the country, with the Taliban eliminated as a threat.

Posted by CoolCzech
2009-11-12 11:16:47

as an abstract philosophy that is a worthy goal, now lets get back to the real world. How can this be accomplished when the current govt in Afghanistan has no interest in doing this? Is using voter fraud to be put in office and is corrupt as well, keep in mind this is the ruler that the last administration wanted in office, yet he is fundamentally against us succeding.
DCS

Posted by whats_up
2009-11-12 10:33:19

How about we face the facts of what is going on.

The followers of Islam have declared war on those who are not submitting to Allah, just like their religion calls for, and we can either fight this tooth and nail or we get used to things like 9/11 and Ft. Hood happening.

There is no middle ground on this one, we have a group of people who want everyone else to either submit to them or die so that’s our choice. So what’s it going to be? Will you submit or will you fight?
whats_up

Posted by DCS
2009-11-12 12:30:03

So do we declare war against every Muslim country on the planet, you cant really be that stupid. Oh wait yes you can, you want to deny the protections of the constitution to US citizens based on their relegion, yes you are that stupid.
BIG

Posted by DCS
2009-11-12 12:30:03

It doesn’t matter if whats up makes his choice. What matters is that Obama has already made his choice and that is to submit.
DCS

Posted by whats_up
2009-11-12 12:35:26

I’ll take that as a vote for submit then. Good to know you’re a spineless twit. Islam isn’t going to stop just because you don’t want to do what has to be done.
DCS

Posted by BIG
2009-11-12 12:37:42

Yeah, I know that our Muslim-in-Chief has already submitted, but that doesn’t mean that we the people have to submit. Last I checked, I’m still armed and ready.
BIG

We don’t have to declare war on every Muslim country. That would be stupid. If we take out the worst, the rest are going to fall into line. Iran must be eliminated. The same goes for Syria and Yemen. Somalia must be dealt with.

We will never achieve 100% eradication of militant Islam even if we did declare war on every Muslim. We just need to put the genie back into the lamp and make sure that when he pops his head back out that we cut it off again.

Make the price of waging jihad against the west so steep that they don’t try it again for a long time.
DCS

Posted by BIG
2009-11-12 12:42:08

Exactly! You break them by showing them that Islam cannot win, ever. If Islam cannot conquer everyone, then their prophet was wrong and he got their belief structure wrong. If that’s pointed out in grand fashion then we might have a chance at peace for a while, but only if we’re strong enough and willing to make it obvious that old Mohammed was wrong.
Realpolitik

Exactly! You break them. . .
Posted by DCS
2009-11-12 12:59:45

You break them *how*, exactly?
RtWingNtCase

whats_up,

Thanks for completely ignoring the questions and proving you and your party were deceitful during the campaign. That was when, in an attempt not to look weak, the President and democrats constantly referred to Afghanistan as the good war, and Iraq was distracting from that. Now that a drawdown is scheduled in Iraq, we have freed up thousands to go and win “the good fight” in Afghanistan.

Since you refused to answer before, I’ll ask them again: what’s YOUR plan? What would be YOUR exit strategy. If we pull out and the Taliban come back to power, how do YOU plan to keep them from attacking us?

Go ahead and stay silent, since you have no solutions that would keep us safe. And you should really be honest and admit you wanted to pull us out of Afghanistan all along and the campaign was just a ruse.
RtWingNtCase

“You break them *how*, exactly?”

Kill enough Taliban where they are no longer an effective force. Yes, it means more destruction, but that’s how war works. Just b/c YOU don’t want to fight doesn’t mean the enemy doesn’t want to.

And then, unlike in the 80′s where our weapons brought the Mujihadeen victory, we take credit. This humble bullshit is exactly why the Taliban thought the victory over the Soviets was theirs.

Broadcast THAT lesson across the Middle East, and due to the Arab mindset, which I’ll wager I have a lot more experience with than you, the dominos will fall.
whats_up

Posted by BIG
2009-11-12 12:42:08

So you want to declare war on four countries, and just how are we going to fight all of them and then occupy the countries and yet still have the manpower to take on the others. Our current military is not equiped with enough manpower to do this and keep are committments in Korea and other parts of the world, have you even thought of that Big?
Realpolitik

Kill enough Taliban where they are no longer an effective force.
Posted by RtWingNtCase
2009-11-12 13:21:51

You kill enough Taliban *how* exactly?

And – ya know – you have absolutely no cause to think you would win your wager.
BIG

The regime in Iran must be eliminated. I do blame Bush for not doing this while he was President. Eliminating the threat from Iran is going to be very messy. That is probably why Bush didn’t do it himself. He made the mistake in thinking Europeans had a spine and would recognize that this fight was also theirs. But when they voted present in the war on terror, he should have gone it alone.

And for our lefties here, I have a question. Why did Persia change her name to Iran in the 1930s?
CoolCzech

Remember, the standard fallback position of Liberals on ALL foreign policy and military challenges is:

No, We can’t!

Everything they say now about Afghanistan was said by them about Iraq. EVERYTHING.
RtWingNtCase

Posted by Realpolitik
2009-11-12 13:44:15

Kill enough by wading into their santuaries in the mountains. Control the roads and entry points along the borders. Back us up with more CAS and attack aviation. Send in human infiltration teams to cut routes of escape. Set up TCPs and stop traffic along the roads. Target financial networks of those nations that provide material support to our enemy. Engage the tribes known to be hostile, or even neutral, to the Taliban to help cut off support zones.Find an enemy of the Taliban and pump his area up with development, pointing to his leadership, and watch the people flock, so long as it is properly secured.

I’ve also got several years of experience on the ground dealing with Arabs, all the way from the guy who sells at the market to those who set up enterprise zones to Arab military leaders. Exactly how long have YOU sepnt over there? Who are YOUR contacts? Have you ever had to hold an entire conversation in Arabic, or with an extended tribal council?

Breathlessly awaiting your answer…
CoolCzech

You kill enough Taliban *how* exactly?

You aim your weapon at them and make it go “Bang! Bang!”

Next stupid question?
Realpolitik

Breathlessly awaiting your answer…
Posted by RtWingNtCase
2009-11-12 14:03:32

Well, since you equate Arab to Taliban, I’m not going to swoon over your *superior* experience.

But, we’ll pretend you might have some idea of how to confront the Taliban. Where does all military ability to do as you propose come from?
Realpolitik

Next stupid question?
Posted by CoolCzech
2009-11-12 14:05:54

Li’l boy, the adults are dealing with weighty matters. Run away now.
RtWingNtCase

But, we’ll pretend you might have some idea of how to confront the Taliban. Where does all military ability to do as you propose come from?
Posted by Realpolitik
2009-11-12 14:13:35

Okay, I will play dumb here – WTF does your question mean? Are you referring to MY military ability(the 14(+) years I have), or the ability of OUR military(to deploy, to form battle formations, etc.)?

BTW, maybe I misread the earlier question – I said how we defeat the Taliban, but play the image to the Middle East to gain Arab attention. However, the Afghani mindset and Arab mindset, at least when dealing from a position of strength, is not very different. Unlike here, where it’s in our nature to question and rebel against strength, over there, they follow strength – crush one, gain control, and MOST, but certainly not all, will follow.
RtWingNtCase

BTW, I STILL notice you haven’t answered my questions.

Scared?
Realpolitik

Posted by RtWingNtCase
2009-11-12 14:22:10

No, I meant the military of the USA and additional countries. Do they have the ability to do as you suggest? Is there the will of the citizens of their countries to do so? What do you think is the risk of turning Arab allies into enemies if such action is taken?

Scared?
Posted by RtWingNtCase
2009-11-12 14:22:54

Nope. I do not have the desire to reveal myself on the internet. I’m after ideas, not followers.
BIG

Who said anything about occupying countries? I said remove regimes. THis can be done through the air and special forces. AS for additional manpower, we can get a lot from Europe. When we strike Iran, they are going to unleash hell across the globe. We can eliminate Iranian cities without setting foot in the country. We saved over a million lives by showing the Japanese that fighting us was useless. Maybe after Qom disappears, the people of Iran will get rid of their leaders themselves.

What it basically comes down to is if you believe we are in a battle of cultures. Islam has waged war on the west for over 1400 years and they are NEVER going to stop. So we either hurt them so bad that they go back into their holes for a couple of hundred years again or we simply submit to their will. Either way, the death count is going to be very high. I’m for western civilization coming out victorious. Who do you guys want to win?
KillTheTrolls

Nope. I do not have the desire to reveal myself on the internet. I’m after ideas, not followers.
Posted by Realpolitik
2009-11-12 14:39:31

That’s because your a coward M-rtha. Trolls are almost always physical and moral cowards,
But then again it might just be common sense, because if you DID make the mistake of putting out too much real biographical information, you would certainly regret it given your history on this site.
Make no mistake about it, I’ll hurt you if I ever get my hands on you. Hurt you bad.
http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

The funny thing is, he accepted the plan laid out by McChrystal in the spring. He signed on to it and made speeches about how much Bush sucked and had no plan, but he’d come up with one.

Then he realized what the plan was once the drug haze cleared and rejected it.
whats_up

Posted by KillTheTrolls
2009-11-12 16:11:34

Oh look the idiot is back.
KillTheTrolls

Oh look the idiot is back.
Posted by whats_up
2009-11-12 16:32:31

Yup, you never left, crthns.
Realpolitik

Trolls are almost always physical and moral cowards,

Posted by KillTheTrolls
2009-11-12 16:11:34

Ah, trench_raider – it is so good to see that you know yourself so well.

Uh-oh “hurt me bad”, eh? Beg me to bend over all you want, but it ain’t going to happen.
Realpolitik

Trolls are almost always physical and moral cowards,

Posted by KillTheTrolls
2009-11-12 16:11:34

Ah, trennch_r@ider – it is good to see that you know yourself so well. That self-love, eh.

And “hurt me bad.” Ah – no, trennch. I’m not bending over, no matter how much you beg.
whats_up

Posted by KillTheTrolls
2009-11-12 16:38:14

Ah, the liar shows his face, tsk,tsk.
Realpolitik

Ah, the liar shows his face, tsk,tsk.
Posted by whats_up
2009-11-12 20:43:09

Yes, it’s tr@nch_m@rtha. Have you looked at its blog? Tr@nch R@iders Dugout.
RtWingNtCase

“What do you think is the risk of turning Arab allies into enemies if such action is taken?”

Most are already enemies, or at least opposed to what we want, whether we want to admit that or not.

“Is there the will of the citizens of their countries to do so?”

I do not give a shit about other countries – I care about OUR political will to do so, and that comes directly from our political leadership. I ask you what whats_up would not answer – was the “Afghanistan is the good war” rhetoric of the campaign just words, or was the President serious, b/c it now looks as if you were deceitful in the extreme.

Finally, we absolutely have the ability to do as I suggest. The resources are there, and the only question is of our will.

Why are you so afraid to employ all necessary force to achieve our objectives? And what would your suggestion be if we withdraw and the Taliban comes back?
Realpolitik

Posted by RtWingNtCase
2009-11-12 21:46:50

“Political will” comes from the people – the citizens – who elect the politicians. It is not top down.

Because “Afghanistan was the good war” does not make it a war that can be won.

You seem to be ignorant of the type of country the USA is. If its citizens do not have the will to fight a war, that war shall not be fought.

The Taliban is already back.
RtWingNtCase

Thanks for admitting you deceitfully peddled your position last year. Glad you’ve got some honesty, even if it didn’t apply to the campaign.

We elect politicians to lead us, not to follow opinion polls.

BTW, we apparently didn’t have the “will” to continue the fight in Iraq, but doggone it, we went ahead and won that anyway. Sheesh, how did THAT happen?

BTW, you STILL refuse to answer me – what happens if we leave and the Taliban come back to power(which is what you know I meant)? What do you suggest we do?
http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

Because “Afghanistan was the good war” does not make it a war that can be won.

Too bad President Obama said it must be won, then. Idiot.

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