Ron Paul Is A Vicious Anti-Semite and Anti-American and Conservatives Need To Wash Their Hands of Him

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Ron Paul Is A Vicious Anti-Semite and Anti-American and Conservatives Need To Wash Their Hands of Him

Written By : David Horowitz

Long ago Bill Buckley drummed the anti-Semites out of the conservative movement, and the movement thrived as a result. But the Jew-haters have returned. For years the Texas crackpot, Ron Paul, has been attacking America and Israel as imperialist powers — the Great Satan and the Little Satan, and calling for America’s retreat from the battle against our totalitarian enemies. At the recent CPAC conference Paul’s Jew-hating storm-troopers swarmed the Freedom Center’s table to vent their spleen against Israel as a Nazi state. Now Paul is making a priority of withdrawing aid for Israel — the only democracy in the Middle East and the only reliable ally of the United States. Here is an alert from Gary Bauer about the amendment Ron Paul is proposing which may be voted on today.

Thursday, February 17, 2011
To: Friends & Supporters
From: Gary L. Bauer

Special Alert

Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) has just introduced an amendment to end all U.S. aid to Israel. The amendment could be voted on before the day is over. I need your help right now to stop this ill-conceived proposal!

Please click here to quickly and easily send a message to your elected representative urging them to stand with Israel.

Don’t be deceived. This Ron Paul proposal would not lower our budget deficit. By abandoning Israel while its enemies are gaining strength, the risk of a major war in the Middle East would increase. A major war would cost the U.S. billions and billions of dollars as we have already seen in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The U.S. gives billions of dollars a year to foreign countries that hate us and regularly vote against us at the United Nations. But, Israel votes with the U.S. 97% of the time. They are a loyal ally that shares our values. The aid they receive is used to buy military equipment from U.S. companies so the money comes back to us. Ron Paul’s proposal makes no sense.

Please right now go to www.cwfpac.com to tell your congressman to stand with Israel.

You may also call the Capitol Hill Switchboard at 202-224-3121 and ask for your representative’s office. If you don’t know his or her name, give the operator your zip code and they will transfer you. Tell them to stand with our most reliable ally Israel by opposing the Paul amendment to end all foreign aid. Please take action now!

Correction: Due to a technical error, this was originally identified as a piece by John Hawkins. It’s actually by David Horowitz.

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Anonymous

And the Czechoslovakification of Israel continues.
Anonymous

And the Czechoslovakification of Israel continues.
Taco King: King of Tacos

Why is it that you guys get mad when any time you try to cut spending on minorities you are accused of racism, but anytime someone tries to cut spending on Israel your first response is to make accusations of anti-semitism.

Anonymous

Yeah, because cutting unconstitutional entitlement spending is totally the same thing as cutting aid to one of our major military and economic allies.

You’re a fucking genius.

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Neither of those has to do with race, so I fail to see your point.

You are pretty bad at this mightysamurai, so far the score is

me: 3 own points you: 0

Anonymous

Neither of those has to do with race, so I fail to see your point.

And the government doesn’t spend money on “minorities” either. So I guess you never had a point in the first place.

Anonymous

Mighty can you show us where in the Constitution it allows Congress to send money to foreign nations? Cant seem to find that one.

Anonymous

Article II, Section 2

[The President] shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur

Han Solo

Yeah hmmmmm uh…

Please show us a copy of the treaty that was signed and passed by the Senate that says:

“You dictator, agree to torture your people, rob their wealth and keep them down in the dirt….and we agree to send you billions each year for all your hard work”.
Han Solo

Hehe..it automatically closed my tag.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

That’s about making treaties, not sending aid. Try again, you’re playing the same game as Democrats with the Interstate Commerce clause.

Anonymous

It’s right there by the separation of church and state.

Anonymous

Paul doesn’t just want to cut spending to Israel. He regularly attacks it as imperialistic, dangerous, and goes out of his way to denounce it at every opportunity.

Conservatives regularly cite the damage done to minorities by government programs as the precise reason to end them. Which side is opposed to school vouchers? Liberals. Which side backs family-destroying welfare programs? Liberals. Which side ghettoized minorities in housing projects? Liberals.

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I fail to see how criticizing the nation of Israel as a political entity amounts to criticism of the Jewish people or moreover a racial prejudice against them.

Would I be fair to accuse you of being racist against Chinese people if you criticize the nation of China?

Anonymous

No. But I never took money from a neo-Nazi, like Paul did. I also don’t defend Hamas…you know the people that indiscriminately murder Israeli civilians. Paul does.

So sure Paul just backs the enemies of the Jews, denounces their government, denounces their attempts to defend themselves, and wants us to abandon support for them. But he never said the word “Jew” so he couldn’t possibly be anti-Semitic.

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Paul backs the enemies of Israel, denounces the actions of Israel, and wants to abandon Israel. Israel is at its core a country. A political entity.

Notice, here is the difference between criticism and anti-semitism.

CRITICISM: Israel is a brutally harsh government that often violates human rights and war crime laws and should be forced to answer for its actions like any other world government.

ANTI-SEMITISM: Israel is a brutally harsh government because the Jewish people are fundamentally meglomanical and conniving.

Notice, one places the criticism on the nature of the political body, the other on the nature of the ethnic group that composes the political body.

If someone does the second one, its wrong. If someone does the first one, its no different than the criticism literally every other nation on earth receives for its various actions. Israel does not get a pass from judgement for its actions.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

“CRITICISM: Israel is a brutally harsh government that often violates human rights and war crime laws and should be forced to answer for its actions like any other world government.”

Not one single accusation here is true. You are merely hiding your antisemitism.
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Look, we can go through all the UN, Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International reports if you want.

But since I figure you will most likely accuse all those groups of being anti-semitic liars, why dont we deal with one primary issue. The issue that originally turned me against Israel.

White phosphorus. Go.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

White phosphorus is only banned in use as a weapon. It is not banned for use as a smokescreen, which is how Israel, America and numerous European nations use it.

There was a SINGLE INCIDENT in which an Israeli commander used white phosphorus as a weapon. Last I checked, HE IS CURRENTLY IN JAIL!

Next epic fail, please, Heir Taco.
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First of all, if you are trying to assert that I am a German Nazi figure, its spelled “Herr”.

Second, why drop a highly flammable and lethal substance into populated civilian areas as a smokescreen when there were far safer alternatives? Unnecessary use of force is just as lethal and illegal as the deliberate use of it.
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First of all, if you are trying to assert that I am a German Nazi figure, its spelled “Herr”.

Second, why drop a highly flammable and lethal substance into populated civilian areas as a smokescreen when there were far safer alternatives? Unnecessary use of force is just as lethal and illegal as the deliberate use of it.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

First, thank you for the correction.

Second, as I’ve already pointed out, a civilian used as a human shield is only protected from the people using them as human shields, not from the opposing force. Israel did NOTHING wrong. In war, there is no such thing as unnecessary force. You destroy your enemy so that they can’t destroy you. Unfortunately, the antisemitic world refuses to let Israel destroy her enemies, supporting perpetual warfare instead. If the Muslims were to put down their weapons, there would be a “Palestinian” state and peace by now. But you antisemitic freaks would rather see Israel destroyed than peace.

And I will say it again, NUMEROUS NATIONS USE WHITE PHOSPHORUS AS A SMOKESCREEN, NONE OF WHICH ARE CONDEMNED BY ANYONE! THIS IS PROOF POSITIVE OF PREJUDICE AGAINST ISRAEL!
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There is no proof suggesting that when White Phosphorus was used, the civilians were being used as human shields.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

“There is no proof suggesting that when White Phosphorus was used, the civilians were being used as human shields.”

Outright lie. Hamas was only fighting in urban areas and refused to fight away from civilians. That is using human shields.
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No, human shields, by the definition of the website that you linked is, and I quote, “the presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain areas immune from military operations”.

AKA, one cannot use civilians to protect an established base of operations. That does not mean that you are justified in civilian death in a residential area if there are weapons nearby.

Ask yourself this. What is the difference between, say, bombing a city because it has a military base and trying to bomb a military base that has been deliberately surrounded by civilians. That is the point here.
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More from that document “The use of civilians to protect the military is an illegal method of warfare misusing their vulnerability and protected status by forcing them to take part in the hostilities. The involvement of civilians puts them under jeopardy and in fact strips them of their protection. ”

Note the wording “forcing them to take part.” Living in an urban area in a guerilla warzone is not being forced to take part. If we were to apply that logic, every major US city that has an active military installation is a perfectly valid target for a large scale attack.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

How many times do I have to say it? The white phosphorus was used to screen Israeli forces from anti-tank weaponry, deliberately set up in civilian areas. That is using human shields.

Either get with reality or shoot yourself in the face, you aren’t worth talking to, scum.
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Well, let’s see. So far I am scum, anti-semitic, and a lover of hitler because I have issues with Israel’s actions in Palestine.

I think I rest my case on my original point. At no point have I attacked the faith, culture, society, or behavior of the Jewish people. And yet, my position on military actions of one country has granted upon me these labels.

I need to keep you around Justin. You are one of my greatest assets.
Anonymous

CRITICISM: Israel is a brutally harsh government that often violates human rights and war crime laws and should be forced to answer for its actions like any other world government.

Bullshit. Take your anti-semitic lies elsewhere.
Anonymous

Look, we can go through all the UN, Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International reports if you want.

Would that be the same UN that once displayed a map with “Israel” renamed “Palestine”? The same Amnesty International that has rendered aid and comfort to Islamic terrorist organizations?
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

“Well, let’s see. So far I am scum, anti-semitic, and a lover of hitler because I have issues with Israel’s actions in Palestine.

I think I rest my case on my original point. At no point have I attacked the faith, culture, society, or behavior of the Jewish people. And yet, my position on military actions of one country has granted upon me these labels.

I need to keep you around Justin. You are one of my greatest assets.”

I’m just calling a spade a spade, Herr Taco. I’ve ripped your fallacies to shreds and yet you still believe them. I’ve done tests with people like you, where I replace Israel with “Nation A” and the “Palestinians” with “Nation B”. EVERY SINGLE TIME, people like you side with Nation A until the moment you discover you are supporting the Jewish state. That alone proves your antisemitism.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Judaism and Israel are inseparable, unlike most other peoples. The self loathers try to change this or lie to you and tell you differently, but it is an immutable fact enshrined in the Tanakh.

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So you believe the Jews deserve special treatment because they are unique and needing of special protection we would not offer other groups.

Is that mindset not the very definition of the “reverse racism” mentality you accuse the left of?
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

If you had a legitimate criticism of Israel you wouldn’t be an antisemitic Nazi. However, you don’t have any legitimate criticisms.

The so-called disputed territories where Jewish settlement has occurred are legal under international law. The “Palestinians” wanted to be a part of Egypt and Jordan in Gaza and the West Bank, respectively, until after Israel was forced to conquer these areas in a defensive war. No genocide against the “Palestinians” has ever occurred, their numbers keep on rising. Israel is the largest single contributer of aid to the “Palestinians”, even though its economy, population and land mass are minuscule fractions of its Muslim neighbours.

Israel has the capability to wipe out every “Palestinian” in Gaza and the West Bank and then resettle them a few weeks later, and no one would do anything about it. The world has sat idly by and watched numerous genocides in the latter half of the 20th century, and continues to sit idly by as genocides and racial cleansing of one form or another occur world wide.

If Israel were guilty of the things that you antisemitic scum accused it of, the “Palestinians” would all be dead, the Sinai peninsula would be owned by Israel, all Muslims would have been expelled from Israel (almost 17% of the Israeli population is Muslim), no Muslims would have been allowed to return to their homes after voluntarily leaving during the Independence War (over 5000 families were resettled)… I could go on, but I doubt your antisemitic mind is capable of understanding any of this, and you’ll just call me a liar.
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Sorry Justin, but pointing out that a country is entirely monsterous is not a legitimate defense against accusations of improper behavior.

Israel continues to maintain Palestine as an apartheid state, maintaining total control over important resources like water and medicine. It has been proven to use banned White Phosphorus in military raids. It has also continued to shrink the available land for the Palestinian people.

Simply because they have not committed total genocide and eliminated them from the earth does not mean they get a free pass for the things that they do. It would be like saying China deserves no criticism for its treatment of Tibet because they could easily annihilate it and have chosen not to.
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Pointing out that a country is NOT entirely monsterous. Typo sorry.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

“Palestine” is not a state, so there is no apartheid. When the “Palestinians” were given medical equipment such as ambulances, they turned the equipment into weapons. Gaza had means of water and food production, but Hamas took these and turned it into weapons. For the rest of your ridiculous accusations, how about providing some proof?
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Turned means of water production into weapons? What did they make, squirt guns? I want to see some proof of those claims myself.

as for my proof…

taking of land and property: http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=32578
White Phosphorus: http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/03/25/israel-white-phosphorus-use-evidence-war-crimes
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Turned means of water production into weapons? What did they make, squirt guns? I want to see some proof of those claims myself.

as for my proof…

taking of land and property: http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=32578
White Phosphorus: http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/03/25/israel-white-phosphorus-use-evidence-war-crimes
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Your source is Human Rights Watch? That’s about as ridiculous as it gets. Human Rights Watch has been discredited when it comes to Israel over and over and over and over again. It has no legitimacy.

And your BS UN page is also full of lies and inaccuracies. The Goldstone report has been thoroughly discredited, Israel has provided proof on more than one occasion that the places it destroys are used by terrorists. Most areas that are settled now were previously owned by Jews who were expelled by the Muslims in their war of extermination against Israel in 1948-49. Israel is merely taking back what legally belongs to them.

I made a mistake with water production. However, Israel did leave behind the tools for Gaza to build its own economy, which the Palestinians destroyed. http://www.ijn.com/editorial/645-was-hamas-provoked

Every single FACT in that editorial is easily verified.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7010851.ece

There’s what happened with white phosphorus. Not as far as I thought, but I like how you conveniently ignore the fact that Hamas uses human shields. People are protected under international law from being used as human shields, but they are NOT protected from the opposing force. http://www.diakonia.se/sa/node.asp?node=891

All this means is that the white phosphorus rounds, since Hamas deliberately used civilians as human shields, were completely legal under international law.

Let the epic fails continue, Heir Taco!
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If you have proof of the human rights watch and the UN being full of BS, then demonstrate it. Show me where they have been effectively proven incorrect with comprehensible factual and statistical information on the level of what both groups have provided in their report.

Meanwhile, you assume the civilians who were hurt by civilians were used as human shields. Where is your evidence of that? Break down your argument for a second. You seem to be saying to me.

Everyone knows hamas uses human shields
Civilians were harmed by white phosphorus
Hamas was using civilians as human shields for white phospohorus

Where is your proof to justify the third statement? it is found no where in any report on the issue. You are using an assumption about behavior to discount a factual account of violations. Unless you can provide facts to back up your assertion, its without merit.

And again, its spelled “herr”
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

http://jta.org/news/article/2009/09/03/1007523/op-ed-who-are-israels-accusers

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/_house_of_cards_ngos_and_the_goldstone_report

Discrediting both the HRW and the Goldstone report.

The evidence that Hamas uses human shields speaks for itself. In the link on what happened with the two commanders that used white phosphorus on civilians it explains that the white phosphorus was used to screen Israeli tanks from anti-tank weaponry. That weaponry was being used in civilian populated areas, which is illegal and counts as using civilians as human shields. It is easily verifiable that majority of the fighting in Gaza in the Operation Cast Lead occurred in city streets, because that is where Hamas holes itself up in order to force Israel to hit civilians. Those civilian injuries and deaths are on Hamas’ head, not Israel’s.

Keep up your antisemitic rants and lies, they only continue to prove your loyalty to Hitler.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

http://jta.org/news/article/2009/09/03/1007523/op-ed-who-are-israels-accusers

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/_house_of_cards_ngos_and_the_goldstone_report

Discrediting both the HRW and the Goldstone report.

The evidence that Hamas uses human shields speaks for itself. In the link on what happened with the two commanders that used white phosphorus on civilians it explains that the white phosphorus was used to screen Israeli tanks from anti-tank weaponry. That weaponry was being used in civilian populated areas, which is illegal and counts as using civilians as human shields. It is easily verifiable that majority of the fighting in Gaza in the Operation Cast Lead occurred in city streets, because that is where Hamas holes itself up in order to force Israel to hit civilians. Those civilian injuries and deaths are on Hamas’ head, not Israel’s.

Keep up your antisemitic rants and lies, they only continue to prove your loyalty to Hitler.
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First, the two sources you provided attack the source of the information, not the information itself. Ask yourself this question reasonably. If a report from a source that is biased against Israel is automatically inaccurate because of its bias against Israel, why should a report that contradicts it from a source that is biased towards Israel be considered automatically valid?

I can attack the “biases” of your sources just as easily as you can attack mine, and the end result would be a hopeless impasse, which I am trying to avoid. That is why I requested specific empirical refutation of the accounts, body counts, video evidence, things like that.

Second, Hamas having military equipment in their territory is not equivalent to the use of human shields. By that logic, the US would be justified in torching Baghdad to the ground because the insurgents have military equipment all through the city. Show me evidence that the white phosphorus was being used on civilians specifically instructed to protect an established military target. Harming people innocently walking through the streets of their city because weapons are nearby is not the same thing and is not protected under the Geneva convention.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

First, in order for information to be useful it has to come from a source that can be trusted. Both of those sources point out exactly why the HRW and the Goldstone report can’t be trusted, and they do it accurately and irrefutably.

Second, using military weapons in heavily populated areas IS using human shields. Your argument following is illogical. America is attempting to protect Iraqi civilians. Israel does its best to prevent civilian casualties, but is not the protector of “Palestinian” civilians. Their first priority is protecting Israeli civilians. The use of white phosphorus was legitimate, and nothing you nor the other Antisemites say will change that.
Marthawannabe

See your Rabbi. You need guidance, hoffer.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

I can’t help but agree with your analysis here. Merely cutting spending does not equate to anti-semetism.

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Yo Chris Taylor, I know I am a troll and all. But you are generally a pretty reasonable person and seem to respond sincerely when a genuine attempt at communication is made.

So high-five to you. More guys like you on this site, and there would be less need for guys like me.

Anonymous

SO Hawkins invited you to post your drivel? If not, you just admitted trolling.

Fail_Baby_Fail

What have you added? DICK.

I posted this on Warner’s post but it is just as fitting here.
The problem I see. You are kicking out people who are not 100% with you. Lets say someone is 80% with you. They are all for the Conservative movement but they want a public option. You kick them out of the boat. For party purity I guess that’s ok. But all its doing is shrinking your numbers. You guys focus on what you don’t agree on, but never what you do. Why is moderate such a bad word for you.

If you keep kicking people out of the boat at some point you will have one person shouting at the ocean.

A honest question would the right call Reagan a Conservative if he was alive today? Spending and deficit went up when he was the head gipper. Notice the lack of snark in my post the same back would be nice
Anonymous

ask Joe Lieberman about the boat party you jooo hatin folks had for him a few years ago, then get back with Nixon.

Anonymous

Flagged for trolling, admission of troll status, and sock puppet posting.

FOAD, little boy. You are not wanted here. You are still a troll and your posts should be flagged to deletion no matter the content.

TR

Fail_Baby_Fail

If someone where to know a troll it would be you Trench. Glad you are doing well after your banning. Would you like to add anything to the discussion? What would you say your number of on topic posts vs your a troll waaaaaa post. 200 to 15? Thats my guess.
Anonymous

Given your own status as a kid who got banned from the site several times and who’s sole purpose here is to anger and disrupt you are not one to talk. My own banning (one time three years ago) was for coming down too hard on a troll like you. You can’t say the same…
Run along now little boy. The adults are talking.

TR
Anonymous

flagged for threadjacking.
Fail_Baby_Fail

Well trench What I said to Nixon has some truth to it. But it was said only after Nixon called me a MFer. You will also notice I didnt attack him until he reverted to name calling. Now I was banned much like you where. But only once years ago like you where. Not many times like you think or assume.

I like how you call people child. I bet it gives you the power of im DAD and in charge. I chuckle when you try to assert your illusion of dominance. When you do I see Cartman from south park “you will respect my Authoritah”…….. Come to think of it you look like a grown up Cartman.

Im sure if you made the money you claim you wouldnt need to drive a bus when you are laidoff like you have said you do. If you made good money you could take a vacation during the laid off times.

Let me explain good money to you child (like how I switched roles with you boy) I own two cell phone retail stores. As a 3rd party verizon store. I make close to 350 per activation, after the hit I take on hardware. Verizon pays indirect stores very well. I do about 100 activations at one store per month. My flagship store was just shy of 200 activations last month. That is good money little guy.

Its a team effort I pay my workers well in commision. I do all right. :)

So im not going any place Trench, but your troll,troll,troll on every post is boring. How about I will never respond to a post from you if you never respond to a post of mine. Can you do that little one?
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To troll boy below…..

Now I was banned much like you where. But only once years ago like you where. Not many times like you think or assume.

You were banned at least twice…and the first time you came back within a very short time taunting everyone about how you would not honor the ban. That’s pure trolling. You are a yerk, a troll, and a child. I too came back. But it was over a year later and only after the site owner pulled what was in my opinion a very ethically questionable move on his part. Even then I made it very clear my intention was not to disrupt the site….unlike you. There is no comparison between my case and yours. I’m here because I enjoy an value this community. You are here to talk smack behind the anonymity of the ‘net and cause trouble. So you are scum.

I like how you call people child.

Well, the stunted ethics and inmaturity of leftist in general aside, in your case it fits. You are clearly a twenty-somthing tops. You made it pretty clear the last time that you were hear that you were a young, snotty, car obcessed “cool dood”. You are clearly of the 4chan set.

Im sure if you made the money you claim you wouldnt need to drive a bus when you are laidoff like you have said you do.

Now you are just lying again. I’ve worked in the CJ field most of my adult life..specifically in corrections for most of that time. There has not been a single lay off of correctional staff in Texas the whole time I’ve been employed here. They are closing some old units and letting some postions lapse this year…but it’s highly unusual. Likewise I have never driven a bus. So why are you just making sh-t up? I’m a public servant and thus don’t make a hell of a lot of money. I make a respectable amount the last seven years or so since I got into the administrative side of things, first in security supervisory roles and now in parole. But it’s still less than I would out in the public sector. But I perform a vital job and it’s something I’m proud of. It’s also a job you punk like you could never do.

Let me explain good money to you child (like how I switched roles with you boy)

Actually it makes you look even more childish…you know the whole kiddie “copycat” thing.
Spare us the “I make lots of money crap”. We’ve heard it all before and honestly we would not care if your Walter Middy stories were true. We are not impressed and we are not jelous. After all it’s we on the Right who encourage people to do well for themselves.

So im not going any place Trench

Oh you’ll get bored and move on eventually. Most trolls (except for the most mentally unstable of them…Mrs. TR who knows about such things thinks Martha suffers from a mild mental illness for example) eventually tire of their little game. I’ll be here long after you leave again.

How about I will never respond to a post from you if you never respond to a post of mine. Can you do that little one

F-ck you. I don’t let trolling children dictate terms to me.

TR
Fail_Baby_Fail

Ahh my good friend Trench. Please tell me how my post in reply to Mr Nixon, has disrupted this tread or angered anyone. I feel I made a valid point and a question was asked.

Now what you need to do is look inward and say hey wait a second none of my posts are anyting but me calling people trolls. I am distrupting the forum with my NOT ON TOPIC posts. I should STFU and try to stay on topic.

Try that little man. You are not a cop in real life or on the internet. Know your roll.
Fail_Baby_Fail

Ahh my good friend Trench. Please tell me how my post in reply to Mr Nixon, has disrupted this tread or angered anyone. I feel I made a valid point and a question was asked.

Now what you need to do is look inward and say hey wait a second none of my posts are anyting but me calling people trolls. I am distrupting the forum with my NOT ON TOPIC posts. I should STFU and try to stay on topic.

Try that little man. You are not a cop in real life or on the internet. Know your roll.
Anonymous

I know you are a kid, goalie, but how stupid are you?

my good friend

you are far from being my “friend” little boy.

Please tell me how my post in reply to Mr Nixon, has disrupted this tread or angered anyone

Ah yes, the old “how am I being a troll just this second?” defence. Please. Look at some your other replies in this very thread. Look at your past behavior. You are a jerk, a troll, and a kid who does not know how to act in public. (actually you probably do as if you acted like you do here in the real world, someone would slap you across the mouth for your trouble) You have been identified as a troll and thus the actual conetent of a specific post does not matter. You remain a troll even if you happen to accidently act decent on occasion. I know what you are. You know what you are. Everyone here knows what you are.

Now what you need to do is look inward and say hey wait a second none of my posts are anyting but me calling people trolls

and now you are just out and out lying…..that or you have not read though the thread. I have several fairly long posts on this thread addressing the Ron paul issue.

I am distrupting the forum with my NOT ON TOPIC posts.

Once again, I know you are a clueless kid, but do try to follow along. Establishing the credibility of a poster and reminding folks of who the trolls are is always on topic. It’s like that most places on the ‘net.

You are not a cop in real life or on the internet. Know your roll.

I’ve never claimed to anything special. I’m just a member of this forum who hates to see it go to hell because the owner and his moderators will not take the simple steps that most forums do to take out the trash. I’m just a community concious person trying to make this place better. If the site staff did their freaking jobs I would not have to do what I do.
Why don’t you go post on a site were you are actually welcome? Or if you just get off on trolling, go post to 4chan or something. I can probably recomend some sites that would be a better fit for your low maturity level and naive/foolish political views.

(and in the real world, for what it’s worth, I probably have as much power as a cop on the street as I put people in jail every day with just a few keystrokes. And as a program specialist III/Parole Supervisor I make a good deal more than most cops make. So why would I want to be a cop?)

Now run along child. You are boring me.

TR
Marthawannabe

I ‘spect if you, trenchie were banned, most of us “trolls” would dry up. So I am petitioning John Hawkins to ban Trench_Raider. If you do so I will never post here again.
Anonymous

If this were a well run site you would not be posting here at all, child.

Flagged for trolling, threadjacking, personal attacks, and sock puppet posting.

TR

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Minorities within the USA aren’t surrounded by people who want to commit genocide.

All sorts of flavor

Other than Southern Blacks and Native Americans

Anonymous

And who wants to commit genocide against these people? Show me troll.

You can’t.

Begone, cretin.
Anonymous

Why are you bringing out the Democratic Party again?
Anonymous

Wow, have you not stepped outside in the last 200 years or something?
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Pro abortion activists don’t count.

RobertJones

I support China aid to all countries! (Where do we get this money?)
RobertJones

I support China aid to all countries! (Where do we get this money?)
Anonymous

There is certainly one issue on which loony ron paul and “You Lie!” hussein are in total, complete agreement: DESTROY ISRAEL.

Any rational person realizes that paul, who actually occasionally has some good ideas, is basically a flake that is best ignored. On the other hand, one really has to wonder why American jews, who certainly are fully committed lunatic-left d-crat socialists, continue to worship the most anti-Semitic politician since the Third Reich, “You Lie!” hussein. Are they really THAT mentally warped ?

All sorts of flavor

I would absolutely love to hear how Barack Obama is the most anti-semitic politician since the Third Reich.

Enlighten me.

I even have my journal out so I can take notes.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Jews in America are beginning to abandon the Democrats, thanks in large part to Obama.

D-Vega

No, they’re not.

What would you know? You are not even American.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

I follow American news and poll numbers and basically ignore Canada because I’m planning on applying for American citizenship once I have my university degree.

D-Vega

No, Jews are not transitioning to the Republican Party.

And Obama didn’t win Florida in 2008 and we know how that turned out.

Lastly, I thought you said you were going to Israel after you finish university?
Anonymous

He was referencing 2010 Vega.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

I will first be doing my two year service in the IDF, but I will return to North America for work, where there are the most jobs for an outdoor guide. I will be starting the process to get a green card and American citizenship right after university so that by the time I’m done my tour in the IDF, it will be easy to get work anywhere in North America.
D-Vega

Edit: evidence for Jewish support of Republicans on the rise:

Dude, that’s a link from 2003.

Since then, Jewish-AMERICANS have been closely supporting Democrats. And Democrats will continue to support Jewish-Americans.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

You asked for evidence, I gave it to you. Jews in Canada are abandoning the Liberal Party, just like they are abandoning the Democrats in America. Sorry reality doesn’t mesh with your fantasy

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=CBFAF3EC-0BB2-C428-6AD98139F639248A
D-Vega

You asked for evidence, I gave it to you. Jews in Canada are abandoning the Liberal Party, just like they are abandoning the Democrats in America. Sorry reality doesn’t mesh with your fantasy

I don’t really care what Jews are doing in Canada.

You said something about America. So I am asking for your support information. If you don’t have proof, then you should retract your statement.
StanW

“If you don’t have proof, then you should retract your statement.”

A trick you have never learned, Vega.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

“You said something about America. So I am asking for your support information. If you don’t have proof, then you should retract your statement. ”

I provided you with another link. Congratulations on ignoring it!
Han Solo

>And yes, Jews are transitioning to the Republican party.

yeah 1% –> 2% is a 100% INCREASE…big deal.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

38% for Chris Christie, please try again.

Or don’t, that would probably be a smarter idea.

Then again, you’re a leftist. Intelligence isn’t your strong point.

Anonymous

You defend illegal aliens and muslim terrorists. You gat a skeleton in the ol closet there Chauncey?

D-Vega

No skeleton here, TheDickMixin.
Anonymous

Sure thing sparky

Anonymous

There is certainly one issue on which loony ron paul and “You Lie!” hussein are in total, complete agreement: DESTROY ISRAEL.

Any rational person realizes that paul, who actually occasionally has some good ideas, is basically a flake that is best ignored. On the other hand, one really has to wonder why American jews, who certainly are fully committed lunatic-left d-crat socialists, continue to worship the most anti-Semitic politician since the Third Reich, “You Lie!” hussein. Are they really THAT mentally warped ?
D-Vega

Seems like the antisemite slur is thrown about rather easily when it comes to criticism of Israel.

I don’t agree with withdrawing aid to Israel. It would be a bad idea in terms of stability for the region and it will be political suicide for anyone who votes for it.

But is Paul really an antisemite? I don’t know about him personally or his followers. But do they really just hate Jews, or is it a ideaological issue when it comes to foreign aid?

Han Solo

Same thing…cut funding to Israel(and the rest of the world) because we can’t afford it = Antisemite, just like cutting welfare is RACIST.
Han Solo

Same thing…cut funding to Israel(and the rest of the world) because we can’t afford it = Antisemite, just like cutting welfare is RACIST.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

John, here we have to part ways: the US Constitution does not authorize the government to send money to countries overseas no matter how much we might want them to survive or feel good about the pay.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Would you rather spend hundreds of billions in a war effort or a few billion per year propping up? Weigh the cost differences.

Han Solo

Rather wait for war. Its not as certain as you think. And frankly more of those people need a few generations of fighting among themselves to work things out.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

So I’m imagining the wars in 1948, 1967 and 1973, plus the various wars of attrition and terrorism?

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

The cost is irrelevant, we either follow the US Constitution or we are illegal and our government invalid. Conservatives should always follow the constitution.

D-Vega

It ain’t gonna happen, CT. For all you guys’ hysteria over Obama and Israel, he’s not going to even propose something like that.
Toastrider

A little late for that, what with Obama pissing all over the rule of law in regards to contracts.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Oh our government left the constitution behind a century ago or more, its gonna be a long fight if we ever have a hope of moving it back.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

By that logic, Lincoln should have been thrown in prison. When you are fighting people who won’t play by the rules, you can’t play by them either, or you WILL lose.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

You’re arguing exactly the way the left does about this topic. That’s precisely the kind of ends justify the means argument they use to do everything they’ve done. Breaking the law to fix things only makes things worse.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Lincoln broke the law to win the Civil War. In WWII, America stripped innocent people of their liberties due to widespread Japanese spy infiltration, and doing so was one of the smartest decisions ever made.

When your enemy doesn’t play by the rules, playing by the rules gets you killed. This isn’t a left wing talking point, this is a fact of WAR. You think your government hasn’t used clandestine and potentially illegal tactics to get information out of terrorists? You think they shouldn’t?

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/CJJHQ5AOXPB545KU7AQZWDRI2A WardC

The author of the article is a Neocon. Neocons have a dangerous agenda – they want unbridled homage and tribute made to Israel, with perpetual war in the Middle East to that end, paid for by American tax dollars and blood. Dr. Ron Paul gets in the way of their plans and is a major threat to their not so hidden agenda. The Neocons hijacked the Republican Party. Dr. Paul singlehandedly has turned the tide and is taking it back. It is amazing. True Conservatives like Dr. Paul are for non-interventionism – war only when necessary. As Dr. Paul mentions, the US Constitution states that we are to have no entangling foreign alliances. He is also best suited to cut the Federal Budget as he is not beholden to Big Labor and Big Welfare as are the Democrats, nor to Big War and Big Business as are many Republicans. Fortunately, some new Republicans in the US Congress have taken Dr. Paul’s position on small government, less government spending, and less government intervention in the lives of the citizenry as well as overseas. He helped sweep them into office. Dr. Ron Paul is a modern day founder like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Except George Washington supported the Jewish people, unlike Heir Paul.
Anonymous

neocon is a code word for Jew. Just blame the JOOOOOS there nazi.

All sorts of flavor

Noting like a Dick Nixon post to bring levity to a serious discussion. Love ya.

Anonymous

flagged for trolling, way to refute there Adolf

abcxyz

Government aid to all foreign countries should be withdrawn immediately. People who feel that their particular nation deserves aid are free to cut a check from their personal funds. If you don’t have enough, then please go ahead and borrow against your credit or your kids future production, just tell the bank that your kids will work off this debt.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Translation: If the Jews can’t defend themselves, they don’t deserve to live.

Anonymous

It’s a strict constitutional argument and a valid one. No the Jews don’t deserve to die. I can pretty much guarantee it won’t happen -Paul tosses up loony legislation all the time that is always too radical to pass.

It would be nice if we could cut off aid to countries that don’t vote with us at the UN; countries where tin pot dictators steal the money (Mubarek); Countries who smile to our face and then set up Wahhabi mosques all over the world preaching hatred of the US; and countries that don’t hold up their ends of mutual defense agreements. So, that would pretty much mean cutting off the world minus Israel, Canada, England, Poland, and Australia.

D-Vega

I believe 80% of all the aid we send overseas goes to Israel, Egypt, Iraq and Afghanistan. If you cut off everyone else, it wouldn’t even make a dent.

But I do agree on people who steal the aid. What this country should do is buy food from our farmers and send food overseas. No more cash. No more guns. Just food and medicine.

Han Solo

>if you cut off everyone else, it wouldn’t even make a dent.
Then do it.
abcxyz

Vega,

Even if we cut 100%, it would not make a dent in the deficit or the debt. However, what kind of free people would want to live on the crumbs thrown around by others? If living on welfare is demoralizing then begging a foreign country for a few cents every year must be viewed as the same on a national level. It baffles me why some any Jews oppose cutting off American aid to Israel. It’s welfare on a sovereign state level. It’s like those people at grocery stores using welfare checks to buy food and chatting on their IPhones. Sheesh…have some pride people and stand on your own feet.
D-Vega

It’s not social welfare though. Israel knows that it can sustain anything short of a nuke with American dollars backing it. Otherwise, the muslims could just drip, drip, drip them by attrition until they go broke (sound familliar?). The crazy muslims are in it for the long haul. The only way Israel could be defeated is if it became over-extended for a long period of time without the resources.

That’s why they’ll always choose preemptive quick attacks too.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

The money is used for military preparation, which has at times been as high as 15% of GDP. No nation can maintain that kind of military spending. As is, it stands at 9% of GDP. $3 billion is a drop in the bucket for America, but provides weapons that Israel needs.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

As mightysamurai pointed out, Article II, section 2: (The President) shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;

What is a treaty? I see nothing saying that a treaty can’t include foreign aid. Does America not have a treaty with Israel?

D-Vega

The US does not have a military aid treaty with Israel that I know of.

We have agreements, and Israel has “major non-NATO ally” status.

Congress approves of the aid, but I do not think a 2/3 majority is required.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Right, while technically you can have a treaty that includes aid, that’s not what happened and as you point out no 2/3rds majority vote was involved.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Hold the vote… I’d bet you’d get the votes to change some terminology around no problem.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

I know that Canada didn’t enter the Iraq war, but the Canadian Forces were the third largest contributer to Afghanistan. Unfortunately, popular opinion has forced the Canadian government to draw down troop levels and leave the combat zones.

Han Solo

WHY DO WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM MONEY!!?

We can just sign a treaty of mutual defense and be done with it.

If they can’t make enough money on their own then they need to reevaluate their economic system, because the US economic system is about to go into the shitter.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Israel is smaller than the State of New Jersey and packed with 10 million people. Close to half of its government budget is spent on defense and humanitarian aid. How can they do anything to boost their economy when they are forced by the world to spend so much on others?

abcxyz

I think they are smart enough to figure that out. Apparently, you think they need to beg America for money. I believe they can use their minds and work ethics to close that huge ’3 billion’ dollar gap relative to their 190+ billion GDP.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

That makes no sense. With half of the government budget spent on defense and humanitarian aid that the world forces onto them (water and electricity shipments to Gaza, for example), Israel has high taxes that they can’t bring down to boost the economy. It is too dangerous to do so. Israel can survive without the money, but it will cause economic damage as Israel increases taxes to pay for the budget shortfalls. It will need to raise taxes enough to add over 1% of the GDP to the government budget.
abcxyz

I think they are smart enough to figure that out. Apparently, you think they need to beg America for money. I believe they can use their minds and work ethics to close that huge ’3 billion’ dollar gap relative to their 190+ billion GDP.

abcxyz

On the one hand, you have stated that Israel can wipe out every one of her enemies if she chooses to do so with its vastly superior military position. On the other hand, if America does not give Israel a couple of billions every year, all the Jews in Israel would be killed.

This reminds me of the hysterical arguments about how Bush was so stupid that he was basically Cheney’s puppet and yet so smart that he stole the elections, lied about going into war with Iraq and managed to hide it from everyone including detractors in his own cabinet.

You are sadly delusional to think that just because I don’t want to give my hard earned money to every Tom, Dick and Harry (in the US as well as world over), that somehow I want them all to die. BTW, how many checks have you cut to the Israeli government?

Seems to me that you have either very low opinion of the capabilities of the Israeli people despite their demonstrated excellence in science, technology, battle situations, etc… (sounds like an anti-semite to me) or have unnecessarily high opinion of Israel’s enemies, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. Either way, it’s obvious you cannot logically argue this matter.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

You missed… a hell of a lot!

I know that Israel WILL win the war. The question is, how many lives will that war cost? A few hundred? A few thousand? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Israel is not a big place. If nukes are used against her, we are talking about the mass nuking of the capital cities of every major oil producing nation in the Middle East, along with many others, to cripple them so that they can’t invade. How well do you think the world will handle oil at $1000 per barrel?

Protecting Israel is more in your best interests than the paltry $3 billion in aid that Israel primarily uses in America. America also benefits greatly from Israeli weapons development that comes from that aid.

In the end, Israel will survive, though at a cost that my people shouldn’t have to pay.

abcxyz

OH my!!! Now we will get $1000 oil if kids in America don’t break their piggy banks and throw some pennies to Israel for something or another. You have a good comedy routine going here. I suggest you take it on the road; try Chuck-E-Cheese first.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Yes, because the crippling of most of the nations in OPEC won’t cause fluctuations in the price of oil… Get your head in the game, boy!
abcxyz

OH my!!! Now we will get $1000 oil if kids in America don’t break their piggy banks and throw some pennies to Israel for something or another. You have a good comedy routine going here. I suggest you take it on the road; try Chuck-E-Cheese first.

Toastrider

I might withdraw the aid, but I’ll be more than happy to sell Israel some of our surplus tactical nukes.

And make it real public too, so people understand if they keep fucking around, someone’s going home radioactive.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

That’s almost funny… ‘Cause, really… now that I think about it… if this continues to get out of hand, a nuke might just turn up in Georgia… We’ll see how well that goes.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

That’s almost funny… ‘Cause, really… now that I think about it… if this continues to get out of hand, a nuke might just turn up in Georgia… We’ll see how well that goes.

Anonymous

Dunno if Paul’s antisemitic or not, but I do know that his isolationist policies are ridiculous -especially with regards to Israel. We have to support the one free society and only true ally we have in that region of the world.
D-Vega

Wait, this isn’t even Mr. Hawkins? It’s David Horowitz?

Well, now it all makes sense as to why the antisemite slur was thrown around like that.
Han Solo

Ron Paul….. the ORIGINAL victim of the “Racist” argument from the left.

Did the same thing to Rand Paul when he said he thought the Civil Rights Act was unconstitutional they tried to tar him with that label too.

Remember, if are against, Medicare, Social Security, Affirmative Action, Department of Education, Welfare, Obamacare, and any other handout program then your ARE RACIST.
Anonymous

As a paleo-conservative, there is much about Ron Paul I can agree with and like. But there are numerous issues on which I take issue with him. (his insane drug legalization stance for example) The real deal breaker is (as many other have pointe dout) that many of his supporters are jerks, kooks, and just downright nuts. See their behavior in the run-up to the 2008 election for example.
I doubt I would ever vote for him.

Now that I’ve done the full disclosure thing as to my feelings about Paul, here we go…

I see no evidence at all that Ron Paul is an anti-Semite. Does he have an issue with Israel and believes that we go out on the limb for them far too often? Sure. Does he think that the pro-Israel lobby has far too much influence over US foreign policy. Yes. But does that disagreement over policy make him a jew hating anti-semite? No, I don’t think so.

(I suppose one of the reasons I feel this way about Paul, despite not being a supporter is that I’ve seen the same sort of bogus knee-jerk accusations of supposed “anti-semitism”…as well as “racism”, “fascism”, etc…leveled at a conservative political figure I admire: Patrick Buchanan. Sadly, in both cases the accusations come from otherwise good convervatives who should really know better.)

Despite the claims that Israel itself makes (which are parroted by their more devoted/fanatical supporters) one can oppose the policies and be critical of Israel without hating Jews as a people. To claim otherwise is simply being dishonest. Hell, I’M no fan of Israel, but I’m far from being an anti-semite.

We on the Right are critical of leftists and whiny minorities when they make bogus claims of “racism”. We all know and have seen over the years them dishonestly claim “racism” in much the manner in which the originator of the term, Leon Trotski, (yes, THAT Trotski) originally intended: as a smear to shut down debate and shame oponents into silence. But at the same time we often see these same righteous conservatives who make spurious claims of “anti-semitism” against anyone who is critical of Isreal.

Folks, we are better than the left and should not be using the same dishonest and repugnant smear tactics that the children on the left employ. Critical of Israel…even anti-Israel is not an automatic indication of anti-semitism. True enough, it sometimes is. Use your heads people. Examine each case before acting like a leftist and making bogus claims to shut down debate.

TR

Han Solo

I keep hearing about Ron Paul’s weakness as a candidate. Ron Paul is a very weak presidential candidate. Ron Paul can’t be taken seriously for the office of president. Ron Paul can’t win an election.

Why?

What is it specifically about Ron Paul that makes this so?

Is it the fact that he adheres to the Republican Party platform of limited government, enforcement of the Constitution, moderation of the executive branch, lower spending, no deficits, and no handouts – better than any other Republican?

Is it that he does all of these things without fitting the cranky, arrogant, doesn’t-care-for-poor-people Republican mold and alienating free-thinking younger voters?

Is it that he’s won the presidential straw poll of the largest convention of conservative activists in the world – twice?

Is it that he’s the only contender for the Republican Party presidential nomination who has military experience – and he has eight years of it?

Is it that he has the guts to harshly criticize United States foreign policy while still maintaining a deep respect for American heritage and the American people?

Is it that he received more voluntary campaign contributions from active-duty and retired military personnel in 2007 than any other presidential candidate, Republican or Democrat?

Is it that he set the all-time record for most campaign contributions received by any presidential candidate in any 24-hour period on the Fifth of November, 2007? Or that shortly afterward, he broke his own record?

Is it that his chosen economic advisers like economist and author Peter Schiff predicted the liquidity shortfall which triggered the global financial crisis years in advance, while other politicians like Barney Frank declared Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to be totally financially sound just a handful of months before the shit hit the fan?

Is it that he recognizes the abysmal failure of the war on drugs, and suggests practical alternatives without condoning addiction?

Is it that he remembers a time before the federal government controlled the state and local schools, airport security, hospitals, etc, and knows that the world can function without such unconstitutional over-reach?

Is it that he is impossibly healthy, hard-working, and astute for his age, riding his bike almost daily and giving timely and compelling speeches on the House floor, criticizing the police state at every available opportunity, while other Congressmen can’t even show up to vote when the PATRIOT Act is up for renewal?

Given that someone has to get the GOP nomination for 2012, tell me please why Ron Paul is in any sense a weak candidate, and what the hell would be an example of a strong one.

Mediumheadboy

Um, how about because so many asswipes want him to run? Not referring to you here, but his “constituency” seems to largely consist of Marijuana smokers, white supremacists, and 9/11 “truthers.” In other words, potheads, skinheads, and shitheads.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

You are partially correct, but mostly wrong. Martin Luther King, Jr. believed that anti-Zionism was nothing but Antisemitism, and he was right.

Every bad thing that Israel does is overblown, dramatized and condemned. What is almost always ignored (such as on the Mavi Mamara) is what provoked Israel into doing something that others have deemed wrong. Dead civilians in Gaza? Must be Israel’s fault! Terrorists were hiding behind them? Still Israel’s fault!

When blatant human rights abusers such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Myanmar or China do things much, much worse, people stand idly by and say next to nothing. But the moment a single civilian is killed by Israel, even if that death can be completely blamed on terrorists due to their use of human shields, Israel is condemned, Antisemitic incidences around the world rise, and people call for her destruction.

Legitimate criticism of Israel is indeed not Antisemitism. However, I have never, ever met a single person who would legitimately criticize Israeli military tactics. People who criticize Israeli use of force NEVER criticize the “Palestinians” in any way, even though the entire conflict was started and is perpetuated by them and the other Muslim countries!

That double standard is Antisemitism.

The same double standard is applied to America, and people such as yourself have no problem pointing out that double standard based in jealousy and hate.

Anonymous

Martin Luther King, Jr. believed that anti-Zionism was nothing but Antisemitism, and he was right.

That’s not exactly a ringing endorcement of your points, you do realise that, right?

And stop frothing for a moment and actually read what I have said. Although I have issues with isreal, I actually tend to side with them in most disputes because I think their enemies are far worse.

TR

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

I pointed out how the claims of Antisemitism are in fact legitimate, nothing more.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

You are partially correct, but mostly wrong. Martin Luther King, Jr. believed that anti-Zionism was nothing but Antisemitism, and he was right.

Every bad thing that Israel does is overblown, dramatized and condemned. What is almost always ignored (such as on the Mavi Mamara) is what provoked Israel into doing something that others have deemed wrong. Dead civilians in Gaza? Must be Israel’s fault! Terrorists were hiding behind them? Still Israel’s fault!

When blatant human rights abusers such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Myanmar or China do things much, much worse, people stand idly by and say next to nothing. But the moment a single civilian is killed by Israel, even if that death can be completely blamed on terrorists due to their use of human shields, Israel is condemned, Antisemitic incidences around the world rise, and people call for her destruction.

Legitimate criticism of Israel is indeed not Antisemitism. However, I have never, ever met a single person who would legitimately criticize Israeli military tactics. People who criticize Israeli use of force NEVER criticize the “Palestinians” in any way, even though the entire conflict was started and is perpetuated by them and the other Muslim countries!

That double standard is Antisemitism.

The same double standard is applied to America, and people such as yourself have no problem pointing out that double standard based in jealousy and hate.

Anonymous

Oh, and little off topic aside addressed to one of the side discussions below….

There is nothing at all wrong with the Israeli use of white phosphorus (WP). It’s highly effective as both an anti-personel weapon and as an obscuring agent. It’s especially effective in convincing enemy personell to leave the cover they currently occupy. It’s use is long establshed and many nations have employed it since WW2. It’s nasty, it’s highly unpleasant in it’s ant-personel effects. But it works.

More importantly it’s use not specificly violate any international law limiting weapons. Yes, you have to be very careful when employing any kind of area effect weapon in a region populated by civilians, but as long as there was no purposeful attack against enemy civilians, it’s use is not banned by any international treaty.

Justin is correct when he states that any casaulties caused by Israeli deployed WP grenades is soley on the heads of their enemies who routinely employ human shields and otherwise attempt to force the Israelis to kill civilians. (something that very much IS against the rules of war)

Finally, our sock puppet troll made the claim that the use of WP was not justified to screen tanks as other smoke creation methods are available. This just shows us once again that leftists are pretty ignorant of military matters. In the urban enviorments that the Israelis find themselves fighting in, ranges are short and reaction time is also shortened. Traditional smoke grenades of either hot or cold burning varieties take a bit to produce a meaningful smoke screen…especially one large and thick enough to protect a tank. A hot burning grenade may take three to five seconds to even get burning good and tomake a real screen may take up to 30 seconds. WP on the other hand has the effect of creating a screen almost instantly. In street fighting when you sunddenly come into contact with RPGs, anti-tank missles, or other infantry anti-tank weapons you need to emply countermeasures quickly. WP performs that role very well.

TR

Toastrider

I seem to recall the Geneva Conventions having something to say about non-uniformed combatants…

Oh yeah. Shot on sight.

Anonymous

They can be….but the signatory nation can extend whatever protections they wish to non-uniformed combatants. That was codified all the way back in the Hague convention in the 1890s.

TR

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Incidentally, we’re still technically dealing with at least one anti-Semite in the conservative movement in Pat Buchanan, if you consider him a conservative still.

Look I’m uncomfortable with how Ron Paul doesn’t care when neo nazis use his name and articles, and he was fine with a radical fascist group ran a newsletter for him. That makes him someone I’d rather keep my distance from but lets be rational here.

D-Vega

Pat is one of the few guys that can express his opinion, not be nasty about it, and still come out looking charming. He seems like a genuinely smart guy.

I still think he is better than the yahoos you have out there now. Glenn Beck, Hannity, etc. A bunch of clowns.

I would enjoy having a beer with Buchanan.

Anonymous

He hates the joos, you seem on board with that. Not a shock.

D-Vega

You care to provide statements that support your assertion? Or is that just a drive-by smear?

Anonymous

You appear to want to hang out with Buchanan. Which of his views do you support? He is anti semetic. The subject of this thread is anti Israel and semetic behavior.

You state you want to hang out with Pat. Care to clarify your desire, Chauncey? We already know you are big on illegal aliens and muslim terrorists, since you get pissed when Nixon calls them what they are.
D-Vega

I don’t necessarily support any of his views. I know a lot of the things he has said are tame compared to the screaming hate-vomit that spews from the rightwing base these days. You included.

The way your clowns-of-the-month prance around accusing the President and liberals of horrible conspiracies and labeling them anything from marxists to traitors to racists.

The way such little knowledge of facts and blatant smears and lies are released into the cosmic cloud of wingnutism and become one-liners so lame a Chinese bumper-sticker maker would reject them.

I would still have a beer with you though.

Since this thread is about antisemitism, why don’t you explain how he hates the Jews? Should be easy. The guy has had more than 40 years of experience.

I think old Pat remained the same and you guys got crazier.
D-Vega

Nothing yet? Figures.

LicksNDicks always talks pretty tough but can never back up the BS he barks.

Thanks for playing.
D-Vega

Nothing yet? Figures.

LicksNDicks always talks pretty tough but can never back up the BS he barks.

Thanks for playing.
D-Vega

Nixon? I am still waiting for you support of your smears.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

I get the impression that Buchanan is one jackboot away from setting up the camps, to be honest.

Anonymous

Oh stop it.
You are too smart a guy for that kind of crap, CT.
We’ve been over this before. You are better than baseless accusations of “racism”, “anti-semitism”, and “fascism”.

TR
Anonymous

Upon reflection, I’m going to have to flag that one. (not that it fdoes much good these days)
Sorry CT. That was OTT.

TR
D-Vega

Really? That is pretty interesting.

I guess maybe because I am younger, so I can’t put Buchanan’s entire political career in perspective.

Anonymous

Mrs. Trench Raider (decidedly left of center) thinks the same thing about Buchanan. She also says “i may not agree with much of what he says, but he’s the real deal. He believes eveything he says. He’s not tyring to score political points. You have to respect that”.

TR

D-Vega

Exactly. Seems funny to me that conservatives would criticize Buchanan, yet readily accept the nasty smears and blood libel thrown around by current pundits as if its par for the course.

Anonymous

I like you, CT. I really do.
But you do have a bd habit of acting like (or at the very least taking your talking points from) a leftist at times.
Buchanan is exactly the sort of person I’m talking about when I say that one can be critical or even opposed to Israel without being an anti-semite.
You are a better person than the leftists you are emulating with that sort of crap.

Buchanan is one of the good guys in this fight.

TR

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

2010: “If [Elena] Kagan [President Obama’s nominee to the Supreme Court] is confirmed, Jews, who represent less than 2 percent of the U.S. population, will have 33 percent of the Supreme Court seats. Is this Democrats’ idea of diversity?”
– Column, “Are Liberals Anti-WASP?” May 14, 2010

If Buchanan isn’t a racist, I fart pixie dust.

Anonymous

Then I suppose you ha best seek medical treatment for your odd condition then, as there is no credible evidence that Buchanan is a “racist”.
I’ve read that column and there is nothing “racist” about it.
You do realise that the whole leftist mantra of “diversity” is just code for “anti-White”, right?

TR

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

He’s using race/religion as reasoning in his argument. That’s racism.
Anonymous

What are you, a liberal or something? So simply talking about race/religion makes you a “racist”. Then we are ALL racist (including you….especially you since you wear your Judeism on your sleeve) by that line of thought.

The definition of “racism” is treating people badly or hate based upon race. Nothing in the column you cite (or any of his works I’ve read…and that’s alot) fall under that definition.

You really should not just make stuff up like that.
TR

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Buchanan thought fighting Hitler was wrong, TR. He has constantly been critical of Israel and its very existence.

Anonymous

Um no.
You clearly have not read his latest book on WW2…I have.
Buchanan thinks that WW2 could have been avoided if the British had not have pushed the issue and thus escalated the conflict. I don’t agree with his opinion on this matter and his latest book is the only one of his I’ve read that I’ve disagreed with the premise of. But this hardly makes him a “racist” or anti-semite.

He’s also openly asked the question if from the point of view of Eastern Europeans who lived under a much longer and arguably harsher rule by the Soviets if the war was worth it. Once again, I’m not sure I agree with that, but it’s hardly grounds for the accusations made against him.

Finally, yes he’s been critical of Israel over the years. But as I, and others, have pointed out it’s possible be critial of Isreal without being an anti-semite.

TR

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Buchanan thought fighting Hitler was wrong, TR. He has constantly been critical of Israel and its very existence.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Human Rights Watch appoints terrorist to Middle East board!

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=208768
http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

If we’re going to cut foreign aid (and I’m certainly not opposed to that), the LAST place we should cut are democratic countries that are allied with us against our enemies. That’s not just dumb; it’s suicidal. For instance, we send twice as much money to South and Central Asia as we do the entire Near East. What are we getting for that? You want to cut foreign aid, let’s cut across the board, or stop sending aid to questionable allies before certain allies.
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You’ll be remembered forever for this
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