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I Agree With the People Who Yelled “Yes,” We Should Let Him Die at the Debate
Written By : John Hawkins

There’s a lot of controversy over a question asked to Ron Paul at the Tea Party debate and the response yelled by a handful of audience members. Here it is….

BLITZER: …A healthy 30-year-old young man has a good job, makes a good living, but decides, you know what? I’m not going to spend $200 or $300 a month for health insurance because I’m healthy, I don’t need it. But something terrible happens, all of a sudden he needs it.

Who’s going to pay if he goes into a coma, for example? Who pays for that?

PAUL: Well, in a society that you accept welfarism and socialism, he expects the government to take care of him.

BLITZER: Well, what do you want?

PAUL: But what he should do is whatever he wants to do, and assume responsibility for himself. My advice to him would have a major medical policy, but not be forced —

BLITZER: But he doesn’t have that. He doesn’t have it, and he needs intensive care for six months. Who pays?

PAUL: That’s what freedom is all about, taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to prepare and take care of everybody —

(APPLAUSE)

BLITZER: But Congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die? (Handful of people in the audience: YES!)

PAUL: No….

First of all, as per usual when dealing with the Left, the actual question here is regularly being taken out of context. In Blitzer’s question, he wasn’t referring to someone who couldn’t afford insurance. He was talking about someone who had the money and just decided to spend it elsewhere.

One of the dirty little secrets of health care in this country is that a lot of the people who don’t buy insurance can afford it, but choose not to do so. For example, if you’re one of the 10 million illegal aliens in this country, why would you pay for insurance? You’re going to get free care when you go to the emergency room anyway and you won’t ever have to pay your bills since you’re here under an assumed identity. Then there are young Americans. A lot of them are willing to roll the dice, forget about insurance, and hope they don’t get seriously ill. If we’re perfectly honest, we should admit that MOST OF THEM will win that bet. Should they buy insurance anyway? Yes, it’s the smart thing to do because even though they PROBABLY won’t become seriously ill, the downside risk is so extreme that if they come up snake-eyes, they could pile up more debt than they could pay off in a decade or two.

What we should recognize, however, is that this is a health care problem we have largely created for ourselves. If we tell people, “Whether you buy health insurance or whether you don’t, we’ll still treat you and then, if you get too far in over your head with the bills, we’ll let you declare bankruptcy” — well then, millions of people will do just that. Because we start with that ludicrous proposition as a given, we’ve gotten into a place where so many people feel like they have to run the Constitution through a shredder in order to force people to buy health insurance as a condition of citizenship.

Here’s an alternate idea: How about we give out tax credits that allow every American to buy health insurance if they want it and if they choose NOT to do so, then we let them suffer the consequences? Some people would make the “wrong” decision and then they’d get ill and be unable to afford treatment. At some point, churches, foundations, or wealthy Americans would probably step in to provide clinics to try to give those people SOME help, but there would be people who fall through the cracks. That’s the downside of having a truly free society. However, the alternative of having an all-powerful government that tries to control every aspect of our lives to make sure we all “do the right thing” is much worse.

Instead, why not let people take more responsibility for their own lives, allow more people to choose their own health insurance, watch as the cost of care drops, and as a bonus, we wouldn’t have to throw the Constitution out the window.

This originally appeared at the Huffington Post.

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  • Han Solo

    There is no grey area when it comes to believing in a limited federal government according to the way it’s supposed to be according to then constitution.

    Either you believe we should follow the consution and the form of government that made the USA what it was, or you believe like the left does that the federal government has unlimited powers by bastardizing the ‘general welfare’ excuse and using interstate commerce to regulate things that are neither commerce or intestate.

    The sad state of affairs is that we don’t even have republicans that know or care what is constitional and enumerated powers. Even Mitt Romney wouldn’t even say that social securty was unconstitutional in the debate the other night. Where the hell are we as a country if neither party will defend the constitution and have to guts to say ‘NO if you don’t use bogus loophole excuses and pack the court like Rosevelt did, then it’s not’.

    • JoeBrit

      We need more people like you speaking out during the pre2012 election debates. It can only be hoped that the RNC will televize ads in the future saying just what you are saying, re. FDR, social security, and Medicare.

      Only support GOP candidates who promise to destroy those programs.  

      • Greg

        I think those programs are destroying themselves well enough on their own.

        • JoeBrit

          Last I heard we just added comprehensive medical care, which covers everyone, to our liberal-socialist system of government.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            That’s if the law doesn’t get repealed.

      • TheDarkKnight

        … and I would say that we need more people like you speaking out, every single day, and spewing the kind of moronic drivel that you do.

        The average person on the street is much smarter than you Joey B. and the more they hear you cry the more they roll their eyes and shake their heads.

        Please – keep up the good work.  By pushing your cause you are doing wonders to support mine.

        Thank you.

    • JoeBrit

      We need more people like you speaking out during the pre2012 election debates. It can only be hoped that the RNC will televize ads in the future saying just what you are saying, re. FDR, social security, and Medicare.

      Only support GOP candidates who promise to destroy those programs.  

    • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

      Well the basic assumption too many have is that if the government doesn’t do something no one else can or will.  There are families, neighbors, charities, and people who help out without needing government to be involved.  Just because the government does not step in does not somehow mean that people will die on the streets.

  • JoeBrit

    This situation is precisely the reason why obtaining medical insurance should be mandatory, with financial supports for people who cannot afford it.

    People like Ron Paul just can’t have it both ways. Although social Darwinists would let the man die, might even close the ER door on him, the Hippocratic Oath (and even the hypocritical AMA) would mandate that doctors treat him, even though most hospitals in which they work are today run by profiteering corporations, which would do whatever they can to get rid of him. He and his kind of patient are just not cost-effective.

    This is one reason why our corporate medical system needs to be replaced by a single government run system like Medicare. People die from it. Indeed, it is estimate that 25,000 people die every year in the US from lack of medical insurance.

    • Anonymous

      So you’re in favor of illegal head taxes then. Good to know.

    • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

      Nothing like buying insurance should be mandatory, dipshit, that smacks of totalitarianism. But thanks for letting us know you would happily surrender rights and liberties to a government that doesn’t really care about you! Why not just send me all your money, I can spend it far more wisely for you than you can?

      • JoeBrit

        If you work you pay Social Security and Medicare, which kicks in at an advanced age. If you are not rich, and I gather you are here because you are not, then you may depend on it to survive.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          And I wasn’t given a fucking choice, which is my whole point, and I’m smart enough to know that the chance of me collecting any of those ‘benefits’ is nominal at best. So I’m saving my money so that I don’t have to depend on these failed programs.

    • Greg

      It’s amazing that liberals can’t get it out of their head that the amount of medical care provided is some sort of constant. They think that simply reducing the cost people must pay automatically extends the supply to more people. They never realize that interfering with market forces can actually reduce the total amount of medical care available to society.

      Go to places like North Korea where the government is in full control of health care, and see what’s available: hardly anything. Since the government dominates that market, hardly any healthcare is produced, and only for the ruling class. The lack of profit demotivates anyone from actually providing much health care.

      In our country where there is still some possibility to make profit, people invest themselves and their money in producing health care. Switch to a single payer system, and more people may be able to afford it, but there will be much less available to buy. We may not have much health care, but at least we’ll all have it. :)

      • JoeBrit

        Most of what you had to say is bullcrap. The social democracies of Europe and elsewhere have government run or controlled medical systems and they are superior to America’s corporate for-profit medical system at half the cost, at least according to WHO. Do some research before your speak.

        • Anonymous

          Then why are so many immigrants trying to come here and not there?

          • Argive

            Actually, plenty of immigrants are trying to go there because of the generous social safety net, mainly from various Arab and African countries.  Immigration is a big problem in some parts of Western Europe because institutional racism can be very bad over there (forcing foreigners to the margins of society), and so they’ve wound up with a large population of unassimilated, dispossessed, pissed off immigrants.

        • Anonymous

          Just what makes you think Europe is great shape? Shut yer pie hole ignoramus.

      • JoeBrit

        Most of what you had to say is bullcrap. The social democracies of Europe and elsewhere have government run or controlled medical systems and they are superior to America’s corporate for-profit medical system at half the cost, at least according to WHO. Do some research before your speak.

  • Anonymous

    Imagine if we had a conservative moderator to ask:

    “Bob works hard at his job, pays his bills, and buys health insurance. Steve sells his food stamps for weed and watches TV all day. Steve falls down the steps and shatters his femur. What entitles Steve to reach into Bob’s pocket to pay for his medical care, depriving Bob of his property and possibly endangering his family’s security and well-being?”

    • Han Solo

      HERE HEAR!!

    • Anonymous

      Bob is a racist for complaining.

      Just work harder Bob!  Thousands on welfare depend on you remaining a diligent sucker. 

  • Martin Hale

    If it weren’t illegal under PPACA and any number of state’s insurance regs for an insurance company to sell that hypothetical man a basic catastrophic coverage health insurance, the calculus of purchasing a policy might have looked different to him.  Instead of having to buy a policy which provides no-copay coverage for birth control pills which he clearly didn’t value, he might have opted for a policy which provided coverage only for the big health events in life but not the day-to-day.

    Further, had the hypothetical insurance company been able to create its risk pool for that class of insurance over a multi-state region or even the whole country, the price of that coverage might have looked even more attractive to the man in the example since the risk was spread over a much bigger group size.

    Had the legal tort system in this country been modified in such a way that the doctors involved in his treatment, the lab which ran the tests performed on him, the nurses who provided his daily care and the institution at which he was cared for were shielded from career/business-ending judgments against them, the care given to him might have been affordable enough that the insurance company didn’t need to jack up premiums by double-digits each year.

    Maybe if the health planning authority in this man’s locality or region had done its job properly and not granted authority for every hospital in town to invest in specialised care units which duplicate other every hospital’s specialised care units, the overall cost of health care services would be lower, thus more affordable for patients and insurance companies alike.  Maybe if PPACA hadn’t essentially outlawed new speciality care facilities the people who invest in them would continue to bend the cost curve lower by providing niche services which are less expensive than the same services are when they are provided in generalist facilities.

    But ultimately, the question comes down to the core issue of the man’s own responsibility for choosing not to carry insurance.  It was obviously Ok with him to gamble – how responsible are the rest of us for the consequences of his decision?  I’d submit to you that we’re not responsible.  There’s an old idiom in the English language which is usually expressed “you pays your money and you takes your chances” though sometimes, especially in England, the last word in that idiom is ‘choice’.  In the case of our hypothetical man, it’s the reverse of that idiom which applies, “he didn’t pays his money so he has no chances to choose from.”

    • TheDarkKnight

      As usual Martin – spot on mate.

      There is absolutely no reason why the insurance companies should be in the business of covering routine care.  There are more than a few reasons for this, among them are:

      1 – It removes the consumer (the patient) from the equation entirely.  I can’t even tell you how many times I have gotten a statement from my provider where the billed amount and the actual amount paid differ by over 70%.  What is this magical ‘negotiated price’?  Why can’t I just pay that in the first place?  Sure I only pay a portion of that ‘amount paid’ but what about the costs that went into figuring that out?  Surely someone somewhere pays for that overhead?

      2 – It provides a nice, convenient way, for other costs to be buried where few will notice.  $20 for a Tylenol?  Really?  What does the extra $19.75 REALLY go toward?

      3 – Increased and unnecessary cost of administration.  Why in the world do we need to staff  and fund hundreds of people just to they can process a claim for cold medicine?

      It’s like my Grandfather used to say whenever he was on the topic of responsibility and ownership:

      “Nobody washes a rental car…”

      • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

        There is absolutely no reason why the insurance companies should be in the business of covering routine care.

        They should also be non profit, so they aren’t driven by a need to not give coverage.

      • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

        There is absolutely no reason why the insurance companies should be in the business of covering routine care.

        They should also be non profit, so they aren’t driven by a need to not give coverage.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah I have no sympathy for those who choose to go without insurance so they can get a new car and fancy clothes.

    It’s a free country so they can make that choice.  They can also live with the consequences of that choice. 

  • Anonymous

    The “pro-life” party at its finest.

    • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

      The nuance lost on you is the fact the the child doesn’t get a choice, the adult chose to forgo insurance. Thanks for being the complete moron we know you to be.

  • Anonymous

    How is it that it’s our responsibility to save the life of some guy too irresponsible to buy his own health insurance, but when thousands of Iraqis were being slaughtered by Saddam Hussein the left said it wasn’t our problem?

  • Anonymous

    How is it that it’s our responsibility to save the life of some guy too irresponsible to buy his own health insurance, but when thousands of Iraqis were being slaughtered by Saddam Hussein the left said it wasn’t our problem?

  • Pugent Sound

    Too bad John could never bring himself to cop to how he gets his own health insurance, for perspective sake.

    And by the way John, it was well understood the question had to do with someone’s choice to not buy insurance when they could afford to. No one in their right mind would do this, if they’ve ever experienced public health services in even the slightest degree.

  • Carlito

    Gee, John.

    And I was going to donate my kidneys to you.

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