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Wind Power: It’s Even More Useless Than You Thought
Written By : John Hawkins

You’d think the first requirement for a source of energy that’s going to replace coal, oil, or natural gas would be that the new source of energy could actually keep the lights on. However, when it comes to wind power, no one seems to worry about such petty concerns. Yet, the reality is that unless there’s a miraculous improvement in our technology, wind is NEVER going to shoulder a significant part of the energy burden in this country no matter how much money we waste on it.

You can see that simply be looking at the UK’s experience with it.

A new analysis of wind energy supplied to the UK National Grid in recent years has shown that wind farms produce significantly less electricity than had been thought, and that they cause more problems for the Grid than had been believe.

…In general, then, one should assume that a wind farm will generate no more than 25 per cent of maximum capacity over time (and indeed this seems set to get worse as new super-large turbines come into service). Even over a year this will be up or down by a few per cent, making planning more difficult.

It gets worse, too, as wind power frequently drops to almost nothing. It tends to do this quite often just when demand is at its early-evening peak.

…Quite often windy periods come when demand is low, as in the middle of the night. Wind power nonetheless forces its way onto the grid, as wind-farm operators make most of their money not from selling electricity but from selling the renewables obligation certificates (ROCs) which they obtain for putting power onto the grid.

…Thus when wind farmers have a lot of power they will actually pay to get it onto the grid if necessary in order to obtain the lucrative ROCs which provide most of their revenue, forcing all non-renewable providers out of the market. If the wind is blowing hard and demand is low, there may nonetheless be just too much wind electricity for the grid to use, and this may happen quite often.

…Or, in other words, there is little point building more wind turbines above a certain point: after that stage, not only will they miss out on revenue by often being at low output when demand is high, but they will also miss out by producing unsaleable surplus electricity at times of low demand. The economic case for wind already unsupportable without the ROC scheme will become even worse, and wind will require still more government support.

Why the hell is the government pushing wind farms so hard? So T. Boone Pickens can make another few hundred million at our expense? So a bunch of environmentalist wackos who probably reuse their own toilet paper will be happy? Because it “sounds” environmentally friendly? Whatever the reason may be, there’s no evidence that suggests wind power is worth a single dime of taxpayer money. If private industry wants to fund it, great, but we shouldn’t go further into debt to China to keep promoting a product that has consistently been proven not to be worth the money.

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  • Anonymous

    This is a no-brainer. Since wind generated power is presently just supplementing the Grid, at peak production times, the rate of fossil fuel generated power can simply be adjusted down or reduced. And if wind power is now that wide spread and efficient to be able serve all the power needs at low usage times, super. Less pollution, lowered disease rates and medical costs, and less global warming.

    So what is there to complain about?

    • StanW

      The complaints from your side only…
      •Takes up too much land
      •Kills the birds
      •Not In MY Backyard!!!!

      • Anonymous

        Good points yet for just those reasons, wind farms in England are being placed off shore. As for killing birds, the rotation rate on these turbines is rather slow so I’m skeptical that this factor is a major concern. I could be wrong.

        • StanW

          You often ARE wrong, SlowJoe.

          And off shore will not help if they are placed within site of some rich Liberal’s yachting area, as happened in Mass.

        • StanW

          You often ARE wrong, SlowJoe.

          And off shore will not help if they are placed within site of some rich Liberal’s yachting area, as happened in Mass.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          http://www.dailytech.com/Study+Wind+Farms++Bird+Killers/article18641.htm

          Be skeptical no longer, wind mills kill birds, especially those on land.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          http://www.dailytech.com/Study+Wind+Farms++Bird+Killers/article18641.htm

          Be skeptical no longer, wind mills kill birds, especially those on land.

          • Anonymous

            Pleased to see anyone here concerned about the welfare of birds.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            FOAD and slowjoe you know about our concerns for anything let alone birds.

            All of you conjecture about what concerns the right is lies, half-truths, and or other just plain wrong.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            FOAD and slowjoe you know about our concerns for anything let alone birds.

            All of you conjecture about what concerns the right is lies, half-truths, and or other just plain wrong.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            FOAD and slowjoe you know about our concerns for anything let alone birds.

            All of you conjecture about what concerns the right is lies, half-truths, and or other just plain wrong.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            FOAD and slowjoe you know about our concerns for anything let alone birds.

            All of you conjecture about what concerns the right is lies, half-truths, and or other just plain wrong.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            FOAD and slowjoe you know about our concerns for anything let alone birds.

            All of you conjecture about what concerns the right is lies, half-truths, and or other just plain wrong.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            FOAD and slowjoe you know about our concerns for anything let alone birds.

            All of you conjecture about what concerns the right is lies, half-truths, and or other just plain wrong.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            FOAD and slowjoe you know about our concerns for anything let alone birds.

            All of you conjecture about what concerns the right is lies, half-truths, and or other just plain wrong.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            FOAD and slowjoe you know about our concerns for anything let alone birds.

            All of you conjecture about what concerns the right is lies, half-truths, and or other just plain wrong.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            FOAD and slowjoe you know about our concerns for anything let alone birds.

            All of you conjecture about what concerns the right is lies, half-truths, and or other just plain wrong.

          • Anonymous

            Pleased to see anyone here concerned about the welfare of birds.

          • Anonymous

            Pleased to see anyone here concerned about the welfare of birds.

          • Anonymous

            Pleased to see anyone here concerned about the welfare of birds.

          • Anonymous

            Pleased to see anyone here concerned about the welfare of birds.

          • Anonymous

            Pleased to see anyone here concerned about the welfare of birds.

          • Anonymous

            Pleased to see anyone here concerned about the welfare of birds.

          • Anonymous

            Pleased to see anyone here concerned about the welfare of birds.

          • Anonymous

            Pleased to see anyone here concerned about the welfare of birds.

          • Anonymous

            Pleased to see anyone here concerned about the welfare of birds.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          http://www.dailytech.com/Study+Wind+Farms++Bird+Killers/article18641.htm

          Be skeptical no longer, wind mills kill birds, especially those on land.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          http://www.dailytech.com/Study+Wind+Farms++Bird+Killers/article18641.htm

          Be skeptical no longer, wind mills kill birds, especially those on land.

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          Where they kill birds, terrify whales, and break up providing no energy. They mean well, though.

    • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

      Because they are not a good return on the investment they require? Because to keep a coal/NG/oil plant on standby requires burning nearly the same amount of fuel as it does to produce standard levels of electricity, so there is no real gain in pollutant reduction? Because there is no such thing as global warming.

      • Anonymous

        England has a plan to increase production of renewable energy sources including wind 2% a year over the next ten years or so.

      • Anonymous

        England has a plan to increase production of renewable energy sources including wind 2% a year over the next ten years or so.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          And it’s a dumb plan as this study shows.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          And it’s a dumb plan as this study shows.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          And it’s a dumb plan as this study shows.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          And it’s a dumb plan as this study shows.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          And it’s a dumb plan as this study shows.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          And it’s a dumb plan as this study shows.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          And it’s a dumb plan as this study shows.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          And it’s a dumb plan as this study shows.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          And it’s a dumb plan as this study shows.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          And it’s a dumb plan as this study shows.

        • Anonymous

          No no no. Not 10 years.

          Go with 5 year increments.

          It has a nice ring to it.

          “In the latest five year plan dear leader was able to increase wind energy 1000%! Our wind farms are the envy of the world.”

        • Anonymous

          No no no. Not 10 years.

          Go with 5 year increments.

          It has a nice ring to it.

          “In the latest five year plan dear leader was able to increase wind energy 1000%! Our wind farms are the envy of the world.”

        • Anonymous

          No no no. Not 10 years.

          Go with 5 year increments.

          It has a nice ring to it.

          “In the latest five year plan dear leader was able to increase wind energy 1000%! Our wind farms are the envy of the world.”

        • Anonymous

          No no no. Not 10 years.

          Go with 5 year increments.

          It has a nice ring to it.

          “In the latest five year plan dear leader was able to increase wind energy 1000%! Our wind farms are the envy of the world.”

        • Anonymous

          No no no. Not 10 years.

          Go with 5 year increments.

          It has a nice ring to it.

          “In the latest five year plan dear leader was able to increase wind energy 1000%! Our wind farms are the envy of the world.”

        • Anonymous

          No no no. Not 10 years.

          Go with 5 year increments.

          It has a nice ring to it.

          “In the latest five year plan dear leader was able to increase wind energy 1000%! Our wind farms are the envy of the world.”

        • Anonymous

          No no no. Not 10 years.

          Go with 5 year increments.

          It has a nice ring to it.

          “In the latest five year plan dear leader was able to increase wind energy 1000%! Our wind farms are the envy of the world.”

        • Anonymous

          No no no. Not 10 years.

          Go with 5 year increments.

          It has a nice ring to it.

          “In the latest five year plan dear leader was able to increase wind energy 1000%! Our wind farms are the envy of the world.”

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          That’s the plan, and they’ve already found out their first installment into the plan is a debacle costing ten times what they expected and producing half the energy. Oh, and they broke in the first week.

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          That’s the plan, and they’ve already found out their first installment into the plan is a debacle costing ten times what they expected and producing half the energy. Oh, and they broke in the first week.

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          That’s the plan, and they’ve already found out their first installment into the plan is a debacle costing ten times what they expected and producing half the energy. Oh, and they broke in the first week.

      • Anonymous

        England has a plan to increase production of renewable energy sources including wind 2% a year over the next ten years or so.

      • Anonymous

        England has a plan to increase production of renewable energy sources including wind 2% a year over the next ten years or so.

    • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

      Because they are not a good return on the investment they require? Because to keep a coal/NG/oil plant on standby requires burning nearly the same amount of fuel as it does to produce standard levels of electricity, so there is no real gain in pollutant reduction? Because there is no such thing as global warming.

    • President Friedman

      The major problem with wind energy is that as the technology has developed over the last decade, it hasnt’ gotten any cheaper… probably because the heavy government subsidies don’t provide incentives for the few major manufacturers (including Obama’s butt buddies at GE) to make prices competitive. Wind energy would be a good investment, in some areas, if it cost half as much as it does. Of course if energy prices continue to go up, that will make wind look better.

      • Anonymous

        Free market enthusiasts often allude to competition as a means to reduce costs and better technologies are doing just that with wind turbine energy (read some of the articles by Jerome a Paris on Daily Kos, if I may be so bold to make such a recommendation).

        But it is true that today wind generated power costs more than power generated from fossil fuels (I don’t where solar stands in this regard). But the reason for this situation is that most of the turbines now in service are older models and types. More efficient and less costly turbines are today being developed and installed, so that eventually the cost will go down.

        The other advantages of nonfossil fueled power sources are obvious.

      • Anonymous

        Free market enthusiasts often allude to competition as a means to reduce costs and better technologies are doing just that with wind turbine energy (read some of the articles by Jerome a Paris on Daily Kos, if I may be so bold to make such a recommendation).

        But it is true that today wind generated power costs more than power generated from fossil fuels (I don’t where solar stands in this regard). But the reason for this situation is that most of the turbines now in service are older models and types. More efficient and less costly turbines are today being developed and installed, so that eventually the cost will go down.

        The other advantages of nonfossil fueled power sources are obvious.

        • Anonymous

          Whereas every coal plant and diesel generator in this country was built last week.

        • Anonymous

          Whereas every coal plant and diesel generator in this country was built last week.

          • Anonymous

            Well as long as they operate them in your town, I won’t mind. But keep them away from my town.

          • Anonymous

            Well as long as they operate them in your town, I won’t mind. But keep them away from my town.

          • Anonymous

            You can stipulate that you would like to only buy green power and in the process pay the higher price.

            This would be called freedom.

          • Anonymous

            You can stipulate that you would like to only buy green power and in the process pay the higher price.

            This would be called freedom.

          • Anonymous

            You can stipulate that you would like to only buy green power and in the process pay the higher price.

            This would be called freedom.

          • Anonymous

            You can stipulate that you would like to only buy green power and in the process pay the higher price.

            This would be called freedom.

          • Anonymous

            Sure thing buddy.

            Oh but the corollary to that would be that your town refuses any energy not coming directly from wind, solar, hydro, etc, even during peak hours or emergencies.

          • Anonymous

            Sure thing buddy.

            Oh but the corollary to that would be that your town refuses any energy not coming directly from wind, solar, hydro, etc, even during peak hours or emergencies.

          • Anonymous

            Sure thing buddy.

            Oh but the corollary to that would be that your town refuses any energy not coming directly from wind, solar, hydro, etc, even during peak hours or emergencies.

          • Anonymous

            Sure thing buddy.

            Oh but the corollary to that would be that your town refuses any energy not coming directly from wind, solar, hydro, etc, even during peak hours or emergencies.

          • Anonymous

            Sure thing buddy.

            Oh but the corollary to that would be that your town refuses any energy not coming directly from wind, solar, hydro, etc, even during peak hours or emergencies.

          • Anonymous

            Sure thing buddy.

            Oh but the corollary to that would be that your town refuses any energy not coming directly from wind, solar, hydro, etc, even during peak hours or emergencies.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

            No Wind for Joe
            No Solar for Joe
            No gas for Joe
            No coal for Joe

            Yet the dummy cant quite figure out WHAT lets him continually produce such comunist idiocy online every day…..

        • Anonymous

          Whereas every coal plant and diesel generator in this country was built last week.

        • Anonymous

          Whereas every coal plant and diesel generator in this country was built last week.

        • Anonymous

          Whereas every coal plant and diesel generator in this country was built last week.

        • Anonymous

          Whereas every coal plant and diesel generator in this country was built last week.

        • Anonymous

          Whereas every coal plant and diesel generator in this country was built last week.

        • Anonymous

          Whereas every coal plant and diesel generator in this country was built last week.

        • Anonymous

          The free market would stipulate that they are welcome to the party and for all to compete fair.

        • Anonymous

          The free market would stipulate that they are welcome to the party and for all to compete fair.

        • Anonymous

          The free market would stipulate that they are welcome to the party and for all to compete fair.

        • Anonymous

          The free market would stipulate that they are welcome to the party and for all to compete fair.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          “most of the turbines now in service are older models and types”

          Do you really believe that silliness??

          We have nuclear plants that have been in operation for 40 years, coal plants for even longer… The Hoover dam!! Pushing 60 PLUS YEARS….

          And YOU actually believe something BARELY 15 – 20 years old, supported by BILLIONS of subsidies is and “older model” ….

          Then yuo admit it BARELY works wile claiming we need more of it!!

          Please… PLEASE… move back to your cuban utopian paradise

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          “most of the turbines now in service are older models and types”

          Do you really believe that silliness??

          We have nuclear plants that have been in operation for 40 years, coal plants for even longer… The Hoover dam!! Pushing 60 PLUS YEARS….

          And YOU actually believe something BARELY 15 – 20 years old, supported by BILLIONS of subsidies is and “older model” ….

          Then yuo admit it BARELY works wile claiming we need more of it!!

          Please… PLEASE… move back to your cuban utopian paradise

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          “most of the turbines now in service are older models and types”

          Do you really believe that silliness??

          We have nuclear plants that have been in operation for 40 years, coal plants for even longer… The Hoover dam!! Pushing 60 PLUS YEARS….

          And YOU actually believe something BARELY 15 – 20 years old, supported by BILLIONS of subsidies is and “older model” ….

          Then yuo admit it BARELY works wile claiming we need more of it!!

          Please… PLEASE… move back to your cuban utopian paradise

      • Anonymous

        Free market enthusiasts often allude to competition as a means to reduce costs and better technologies are doing just that with wind turbine energy (read some of the articles by Jerome a Paris on Daily Kos, if I may be so bold to make such a recommendation).

        But it is true that today wind generated power costs more than power generated from fossil fuels (I don’t where solar stands in this regard). But the reason for this situation is that most of the turbines now in service are older models and types. More efficient and less costly turbines are today being developed and installed, so that eventually the cost will go down.

        The other advantages of nonfossil fueled power sources are obvious.

      • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

        Yeah the primary problem is that wind power simply cannot produce enough power to run our country (or most others) and to even attempt to run a small portion of it would require blanketing the landscape with whale-terrifying bird mincers. Add to that how often they produce no energy and you’ve got a net loser.

      • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

        Yeah the primary problem is that wind power simply cannot produce enough power to run our country (or most others) and to even attempt to run a small portion of it would require blanketing the landscape with whale-terrifying bird mincers. Add to that how often they produce no energy and you’ve got a net loser.

      • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

        Yeah the primary problem is that wind power simply cannot produce enough power to run our country (or most others) and to even attempt to run a small portion of it would require blanketing the landscape with whale-terrifying bird mincers. Add to that how often they produce no energy and you’ve got a net loser.

    • President Friedman

      The major problem with wind energy is that as the technology has developed over the last decade, it hasnt’ gotten any cheaper… probably because the heavy government subsidies don’t provide incentives for the few major manufacturers (including Obama’s butt buddies at GE) to make prices competitive. Wind energy would be a good investment, in some areas, if it cost half as much as it does. Of course if energy prices continue to go up, that will make wind look better.

    • Anonymous

      So what is there to complain about?

      The siphoning away of government funds that could be used better elsewhere. I don’t care what the brits waste their money on, but I don’t want to see it here. We should use their failure to avoid similar failures here.

      Let the market determine when and where windmills are installed.

      • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

        But we still give heavy tax incentives to oil companies when they make incredible profits.

        There’s nothing wrong with subsidizing alternative energy if it’s worthwhile.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          First oil companies don’t make incredible profits, not as a percentage of their revenues. Many other companies make far more. Let’s just get off that meme.

          What alternative energies have proven worthwhile?

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            I didn’t say anything about percentage of revenues. I said profits.

            And if they are making billions in profits, then they shouldn’t get tax incentives.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • StanW

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

            The difference is PP is uses fed subsidies to provide health services to women cheap or no cost.

            Exxon isn’t using their subsidies to offer free or low-cost heating oil and gasoline to poor folk.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

            The difference is PP is uses fed subsidies to provide health services to women cheap or no cost.

            Exxon isn’t using their subsidies to offer free or low-cost heating oil and gasoline to poor folk.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            Same with Planned Parenthood, Vega, who can turn a profit AND pay their directors huge salaries.

            The difference is PP is uses fed subsidies to provide health services to women cheap or no cost.

            Exxon isn’t using their subsidies to offer free or low-cost heating oil and gasoline to poor folk.

          • StanW

            And what does that matter? They are a for profit business that turns a profit and pays their directors extravagant salaries. They don’t need taxpayer funds.

            Cut them off!

          • StanW

            And what does that matter? They are a for profit business that turns a profit and pays their directors extravagant salaries. They don’t need taxpayer funds.

            Cut them off!

          • StanW

            And what does that matter? They are a for profit business that turns a profit and pays their directors extravagant salaries. They don’t need taxpayer funds.

            Cut them off!

          • Anonymous

            If they’re making a profit they shouldn’t be subsidized?

            What if they were producing corn for bio-ethanol at a profit, or running a national public radio station?

            I agree companies shouldn’t get handouts. But the are mostly getting tax breaks rather than outright subsidies like many businesses you support.

            There’s a difference between being taxed less and being given money.

          • Anonymous

            If they’re making a profit they shouldn’t be subsidized?

            What if they were producing corn for bio-ethanol at a profit, or running a national public radio station?

            I agree companies shouldn’t get handouts. But the are mostly getting tax breaks rather than outright subsidies like many businesses you support.

            There’s a difference between being taxed less and being given money.

          • Anonymous

            If they’re making a profit they shouldn’t be subsidized?

            What if they were producing corn for bio-ethanol at a profit, or running a national public radio station?

            I agree companies shouldn’t get handouts. But the are mostly getting tax breaks rather than outright subsidies like many businesses you support.

            There’s a difference between being taxed less and being given money.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            There’s a difference between being taxed less and being given money.

            When it’s at a tax bill of $0.00, then it is in essence giving them money.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            There’s a difference between being taxed less and being given money.

            When it’s at a tax bill of $0.00, then it is in essence giving them money.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            There’s a difference between being taxed less and being given money.

            When it’s at a tax bill of $0.00, then it is in essence giving them money.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

            Wrong again commie, it is letting them KEEP the money they EARNED idiot.

            TAKING money and using it to SUPPORT failure is different dimwitt

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

            Wrong again commie, it is letting them KEEP the money they EARNED idiot.

            TAKING money and using it to SUPPORT failure is different dimwitt

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

            Wrong again commie, it is letting them KEEP the money they EARNED idiot.

            TAKING money and using it to SUPPORT failure is different dimwitt

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

            Wrong again commie, it is letting them KEEP the money they EARNED idiot.

            TAKING money and using it to SUPPORT failure is different dimwitt

          • Anonymous

            To Michelle below.

            CEO Exxon Mobil
            Salary: $22,840,000.

            Damned right I’m jealous. Theft without culpability.

          • Anonymous

            To Michelle below.

            CEO Exxon Mobil
            Salary: $22,840,000.

            Damned right I’m jealous. Theft without culpability.

          • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

            Counting the total number without comparing it to their costs is sort of misleading, Vega. That makes it seem like a store that makes $10,000 a year at 80% profit is overcharging and profiteering less than a store that makes $500,000 a year at 2% profit, because the total is bigger.

            Basic math proves that to be a fallacy.

          • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

            Counting the total number without comparing it to their costs is sort of misleading, Vega. That makes it seem like a store that makes $10,000 a year at 80% profit is overcharging and profiteering less than a store that makes $500,000 a year at 2% profit, because the total is bigger.

            Basic math proves that to be a fallacy.

          • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

            Counting the total number without comparing it to their costs is sort of misleading, Vega. That makes it seem like a store that makes $10,000 a year at 80% profit is overcharging and profiteering less than a store that makes $500,000 a year at 2% profit, because the total is bigger.

            Basic math proves that to be a fallacy.

          • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

            Counting the total number without comparing it to their costs is sort of misleading, Vega. That makes it seem like a store that makes $10,000 a year at 80% profit is overcharging and profiteering less than a store that makes $500,000 a year at 2% profit, because the total is bigger.

            Basic math proves that to be a fallacy.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

            Product price 1.00
            Product tax .85
            Total Profit .15

            Multiply .15 by 100 billion…..

            Guess what clueless

            MASSIVE PROFIT

            Just because something has “billions in profit” does not mean anything more than it has huge sales volume.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

            Product price 1.00
            Product tax .85
            Total Profit .15

            Multiply .15 by 100 billion…..

            Guess what clueless

            MASSIVE PROFIT

            Just because something has “billions in profit” does not mean anything more than it has huge sales volume.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            I didn’t say anything about percentage of revenues. I said profits.

            And if they are making billions in profits, then they shouldn’t get tax incentives.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            I didn’t say anything about percentage of revenues. I said profits.

            And if they are making billions in profits, then they shouldn’t get tax incentives.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            I didn’t say anything about percentage of revenues. I said profits.

            And if they are making billions in profits, then they shouldn’t get tax incentives.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            I didn’t say anything about percentage of revenues. I said profits.

            And if they are making billions in profits, then they shouldn’t get tax incentives.

        • Anonymous

          Oil companies require massive subsidies to merely break even some of the time? Really? I hadn’t heard that.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            Even more of a reason to subsidize altergy and not oil.

            I just coined “altergy”.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            Even more of a reason to subsidize altergy and not oil.

            I just coined “altergy”.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            Even more of a reason to subsidize altergy and not oil.

            I just coined “altergy”.

          • Anonymous

            I was being sarcastic. Obviously we don’t fund big oil the way we are forced to fund wind energy.

            A tax incentive is different than a subsidy.

            We don’t subsidize oil.

            We must subsidize wind for it to break even.

          • Anonymous

            I was being sarcastic. Obviously we don’t fund big oil the way we are forced to fund wind energy.

            A tax incentive is different than a subsidy.

            We don’t subsidize oil.

            We must subsidize wind for it to break even.

          • Anonymous

            I was being sarcastic. Obviously we don’t fund big oil the way we are forced to fund wind energy.

            A tax incentive is different than a subsidy.

            We don’t subsidize oil.

            We must subsidize wind for it to break even.

          • Anonymous

            I was being sarcastic. Obviously we don’t fund big oil the way we are forced to fund wind energy.

            A tax incentive is different than a subsidy.

            We don’t subsidize oil.

            We must subsidize wind for it to break even.

          • Anonymous

            I was being sarcastic. Obviously we don’t fund big oil the way we are forced to fund wind energy.

            A tax incentive is different than a subsidy.

            We don’t subsidize oil.

            We must subsidize wind for it to break even.

          • http://www.vega.com Vega Veni, Vidi, Vici.

            We don’t subsidize oil.

            Yeah, we do. When you get tax breaks to the point where you are getting refunds in billions, you are being subsidized.

            Same goes for Citibank (not paid taxes in four years), BofA, GE and Exxon.

          • http://www.vega.com Vega Veni, Vidi, Vici.

            We don’t subsidize oil.

            Yeah, we do. When you get tax breaks to the point where you are getting refunds in billions, you are being subsidized.

            Same goes for Citibank (not paid taxes in four years), BofA, GE and Exxon.

          • Anonymous

            And you can no doubt show evidence where oil companies have a negative tax balance “in the billions”?

          • Anonymous

            And you can no doubt show evidence where oil companies have a negative tax balance “in the billions”?

          • Anonymous

            When it’s at a tax bill of $0.00, then it is in essence giving them money.

            Wait so first it’s “we’re giving them billions every year” to “we aren’t taking any money from them”.

            Those are two different statements.

            Consider: I haven’t stolen your entire wealth. But it would be erroneous to state that I have “given” you however much you are worth simply by virtue of not taking it.

          • Anonymous

            When it’s at a tax bill of $0.00, then it is in essence giving them money.

            Wait so first it’s “we’re giving them billions every year” to “we aren’t taking any money from them”.

            Those are two different statements.

            Consider: I haven’t stolen your entire wealth. But it would be erroneous to state that I have “given” you however much you are worth simply by virtue of not taking it.

          • Anonymous

            When it’s at a tax bill of $0.00, then it is in essence giving them money.

            Wait so first it’s “we’re giving them billions every year” to “we aren’t taking any money from them”.

            Those are two different statements.

            Consider: I haven’t stolen your entire wealth. But it would be erroneous to state that I have “given” you however much you are worth simply by virtue of not taking it.

          • Anonymous

            When it’s at a tax bill of $0.00, then it is in essence giving them money.

            Wait so first it’s “we’re giving them billions every year” to “we aren’t taking any money from them”.

            Those are two different statements.

            Consider: I haven’t stolen your entire wealth. But it would be erroneous to state that I have “given” you however much you are worth simply by virtue of not taking it.

          • Anonymous

            When it’s at a tax bill of $0.00, then it is in essence giving them money.

            Wait so first it’s “we’re giving them billions every year” to “we aren’t taking any money from them”.

            Those are two different statements.

            Consider: I haven’t stolen your entire wealth. But it would be erroneous to state that I have “given” you however much you are worth simply by virtue of not taking it.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            Even more of a reason to subsidize altergy and not oil.

            I just coined “altergy”.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            Even more of a reason to subsidize altergy and not oil.

            I just coined “altergy”.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            Even more of a reason to subsidize altergy and not oil.

            I just coined “altergy”.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            Even more of a reason to subsidize altergy and not oil.

            I just coined “altergy”.

          • D-Vega – Smart, Sexy, Liberal.

            Even more of a reason to subsidize altergy and not oil.

            I just coined “altergy”.

        • Anonymous

          Oil companies require massive subsidies to merely break even some of the time? Really? I hadn’t heard that.

        • Anonymous

          Oil companies require massive subsidies to merely break even some of the time? Really? I hadn’t heard that.

        • Anonymous

          Oil companies require massive subsidies to merely break even some of the time? Really? I hadn’t heard that.

        • Anonymous

          Oil companies require massive subsidies to merely break even some of the time? Really? I hadn’t heard that.

        • Anonymous

          Oil companies require massive subsidies to merely break even some of the time? Really? I hadn’t heard that.

        • Anonymous

          Oil companies require massive subsidies to merely break even some of the time? Really? I hadn’t heard that.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          Then use YOUR money for it commie and quite FORCING me to pay for your delusions!!

          • http://www.vega.com Vega – Veni, Vidi, Vici.

            No, I think it’s fair to use everyone’s money. Myself included. Sorry you feel differently.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

            Thats the differece, WE use our money on what we want….

            YOU want to TAKE MY money as use it for what YOU want !!

            Then call me a facist or worse when I refuse

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

            Thats the differece, WE use our money on what we want….

            YOU want to TAKE MY money as use it for what YOU want !!

            Then call me a facist or worse when I refuse

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

            Thats the differece, WE use our money on what we want….

            YOU want to TAKE MY money as use it for what YOU want !!

            Then call me a facist or worse when I refuse

          • http://www.vega.com Vega – Veni, Vidi, Vici.

            No, I think it’s fair to use everyone’s money. Myself included. Sorry you feel differently.

          • http://www.vega.com Vega – Veni, Vidi, Vici.

            No, I think it’s fair to use everyone’s money. Myself included. Sorry you feel differently.

          • http://www.vega.com Vega – Veni, Vidi, Vici.

            No, I think it’s fair to use everyone’s money. Myself included. Sorry you feel differently.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          Then use YOUR money for it commie and quite FORCING me to pay for your delusions!!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          Then use YOUR money for it commie and quite FORCING me to pay for your delusions!!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          Then use YOUR money for it commie and quite FORCING me to pay for your delusions!!

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          The oil companies tend to run these wind farms – they are tax write offs too. Since wind farms are not worthwhile, even by your definition they aren’t right to subsidize.

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          The oil companies tend to run these wind farms – they are tax write offs too. Since wind farms are not worthwhile, even by your definition they aren’t right to subsidize.

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          The oil companies tend to run these wind farms – they are tax write offs too. Since wind farms are not worthwhile, even by your definition they aren’t right to subsidize.

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          The oil companies tend to run these wind farms – they are tax write offs too. Since wind farms are not worthwhile, even by your definition they aren’t right to subsidize.

    • Anonymous

      So what is there to complain about?

      The siphoning away of government funds that could be used better elsewhere. I don’t care what the brits waste their money on, but I don’t want to see it here. We should use their failure to avoid similar failures here.

      Let the market determine when and where windmills are installed.

    • Anonymous

      So what is there to complain about?

      The siphoning away of government funds that could be used better elsewhere. I don’t care what the brits waste their money on, but I don’t want to see it here. We should use their failure to avoid similar failures here.

      Let the market determine when and where windmills are installed.

    • Anonymous

      So what is there to complain about?

      The siphoning away of government funds that could be used better elsewhere. I don’t care what the brits waste their money on, but I don’t want to see it here. We should use their failure to avoid similar failures here.

      Let the market determine when and where windmills are installed.

    • Anonymous

      So what is there to complain about?

      The siphoning away of government funds that could be used better elsewhere. I don’t care what the brits waste their money on, but I don’t want to see it here. We should use their failure to avoid similar failures here.

      Let the market determine when and where windmills are installed.

    • Anonymous

      So what is there to complain about?

      The siphoning away of government funds that could be used better elsewhere. I don’t care what the brits waste their money on, but I don’t want to see it here. We should use their failure to avoid similar failures here.

      Let the market determine when and where windmills are installed.

    • Anonymous

      So what is there to complain about?

      The siphoning away of government funds that could be used better elsewhere. I don’t care what the brits waste their money on, but I don’t want to see it here. We should use their failure to avoid similar failures here.

      Let the market determine when and where windmills are installed.

    • Anonymous

      So what is there to complain about?

      The siphoning away of government funds that could be used better elsewhere. I don’t care what the brits waste their money on, but I don’t want to see it here. We should use their failure to avoid similar failures here.

      Let the market determine when and where windmills are installed.

    • Anonymous

      So what is there to complain about?

      The siphoning away of government funds that could be used better elsewhere. I don’t care what the brits waste their money on, but I don’t want to see it here. We should use their failure to avoid similar failures here.

      Let the market determine when and where windmills are installed.

    • Anonymous

      So what is there to complain about?

      The siphoning away of government funds that could be used better elsewhere. I don’t care what the brits waste their money on, but I don’t want to see it here. We should use their failure to avoid similar failures here.

      Let the market determine when and where windmills are installed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

      Ask the Kennedy’s dummy…. They sure don’t want itwind near them…. And YOU IDIOTS sure didn’t want solar in the desert either….

      You idiots are so transparently stupid that it’s just unbelievable you can do more than just drool on yourselves!!

      http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2011/02/02/the_rare_earths_butterfly_effect_99375.html

      http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/wind-power-offshore.html

    • Anonymous

      Social cost

    • Anonymous

      Social cost

    • Anonymous

      Social cost

    • Anonymous

      Social cost

  • Anonymous

    This is a no-brainer. Since wind generated power is presently just supplementing the Grid, at peak production times, the rate of fossil fuel generated power can simply be adjusted down or reduced. And if wind power is now that wide spread and efficient to be able serve all the power needs at low usage times, super. Less pollution, lowered disease rates and medical costs, and less global warming.

    So what is there to complain about?

  • Anonymous

    This is a no-brainer. Since wind generated power is presently just supplementing the Grid, at peak production times, the rate of fossil fuel generated power can simply be adjusted down or reduced. And if wind power is now that wide spread and efficient to be able serve all the power needs at low usage times, super. Less pollution, lowered disease rates and medical costs, and less global warming.

    So what is there to complain about?

  • Anonymous

    Well, in retrospect, even the Picken’s Plan would have been a better waste of money than Porkulus. Even an inefficient power source would have been better than pissing away a trillion dollars blowing insulation into abandoned houses in Detroit and fattening Obama’s reelection coffers.

  • Anonymous

    We could always install giant gas powered fans to ensure the turbines are supplied with a steady stream of wind.

    /only semi-joking. These won’t be allowed to fail, so something like that may actually happen.

  • Anonymous

    We could always install giant gas powered fans to ensure the turbines are supplied with a steady stream of wind.

    /only semi-joking. These won’t be allowed to fail, so something like that may actually happen.

  • Anonymous

    We could always install giant gas powered fans to ensure the turbines are supplied with a steady stream of wind.

    /only semi-joking. These won’t be allowed to fail, so something like that may actually happen.

  • Anonymous

    We could always install giant gas powered fans to ensure the turbines are supplied with a steady stream of wind.

    /only semi-joking. These won’t be allowed to fail, so something like that may actually happen.

  • Anonymous

    We could always install giant gas powered fans to ensure the turbines are supplied with a steady stream of wind.

    /only semi-joking. These won’t be allowed to fail, so something like that may actually happen.

  • Anonymous

    We could always install giant gas powered fans to ensure the turbines are supplied with a steady stream of wind.

    /only semi-joking. These won’t be allowed to fail, so something like that may actually happen.

  • Anonymous

    We could always install giant gas powered fans to ensure the turbines are supplied with a steady stream of wind.

    /only semi-joking. These won’t be allowed to fail, so something like that may actually happen.

  • Anonymous

    We could always install giant gas powered fans to ensure the turbines are supplied with a steady stream of wind.

    /only semi-joking. These won’t be allowed to fail, so something like that may actually happen.

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  • Anonymous

    I would love to see an environmental impact study of the true polluting of wind turbines. Roads need to be built. Tons of concrete need to be poured for the bases. Productive farm land is used for wind production instead of food production. Power lines need to be strung to bring the power from where it is generated to where it is needed. And the Rare Earth minerals required to make the turbines cause tons of pollution in their mining and extraction.
    The wind is free, but tons of REAL pollution is generated in the process of getting us to the free energy.

    • Anonymous

      Wow I have never been more impressed with the concern of the right wing with pollution, especially with the support of continuing use of polluting fossil fuel.

      Before long the right wing will also go Green, and we can all stop arguing and insulting each other.

      • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

        You’re problem slowjoe, is you haven’t really asked our opinions or really listened to our concerns just like most eco-weenies.

        We care about the environment we just don’t think that govt needs to force change and we’re certain the market can do a better job than anyone else finding the best solutions.

        • Anonymous

          Greed doesn’t work everywhere and the best solutions are always the more profitable ones.

          • Anonymous

            If a solution is economically viable then it would be in place already.

            If a solution is not economically viable and in place we all become slaves to it.

          • Anonymous

            If a solution is economically viable then it would be in place already.

            If a solution is not economically viable and in place we all become slaves to it.

          • Anonymous

            If a solution is economically viable then it would be in place already.

            If a solution is not economically viable and in place we all become slaves to it.

          • Anonymous

            If a solution is economically viable then it would be in place already.

            If a solution is not economically viable and in place we all become slaves to it.

          • Anonymous

            If a solution is economically viable then it would be in place already.

            If a solution is not economically viable and in place we all become slaves to it.

          • Anonymous

            If a solution is economically viable then it would be in place already.

            If a solution is not economically viable and in place we all become slaves to it.

        • Anonymous

          Greed doesn’t work everywhere and the best solutions are always the more profitable ones.

      • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

        You’re problem slowjoe, is you haven’t really asked our opinions or really listened to our concerns just like most eco-weenies.

        We care about the environment we just don’t think that govt needs to force change and we’re certain the market can do a better job than anyone else finding the best solutions.

      • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

        You’re problem slowjoe, is you haven’t really asked our opinions or really listened to our concerns just like most eco-weenies.

        We care about the environment we just don’t think that govt needs to force change and we’re certain the market can do a better job than anyone else finding the best solutions.

      • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

        You’re problem slowjoe, is you haven’t really asked our opinions or really listened to our concerns just like most eco-weenies.

        We care about the environment we just don’t think that govt needs to force change and we’re certain the market can do a better job than anyone else finding the best solutions.

    • Anonymous

      Wow I have never been more impressed with the concern of the right wing with pollution, especially with the support of continuing use of polluting fossil fuel.

      Before long the right wing will also go Green, and we can all stop arguing and insulting each other.

    • Anonymous

      Wow I have never been more impressed with the concern of the right wing with pollution, especially with the support of continuing use of polluting fossil fuel.

      Before long the right wing will also go Green, and we can all stop arguing and insulting each other.

    • Anonymous

      Wow I have never been more impressed with the concern of the right wing with pollution, especially with the support of continuing use of polluting fossil fuel.

      Before long the right wing will also go Green, and we can all stop arguing and insulting each other.

    • Anonymous

      Wow I have never been more impressed with the concern of the right wing with pollution, especially with the support of continuing use of polluting fossil fuel.

      Before long the right wing will also go Green, and we can all stop arguing and insulting each other.

    • Anonymous

      Wow I have never been more impressed with the concern of the right wing with pollution, especially with the support of continuing use of polluting fossil fuel.

      Before long the right wing will also go Green, and we can all stop arguing and insulting each other.

  • Anonymous

    I would love to see an environmental impact study of the true polluting of wind turbines. Roads need to be built. Tons of concrete need to be poured for the bases. Productive farm land is used for wind production instead of food production. Power lines need to be strung to bring the power from where it is generated to where it is needed. And the Rare Earth minerals required to make the turbines cause tons of pollution in their mining and extraction.
    The wind is free, but tons of REAL pollution is generated in the process of getting us to the free energy.

  • Anonymous

    I would love to see an environmental impact study of the true polluting of wind turbines. Roads need to be built. Tons of concrete need to be poured for the bases. Productive farm land is used for wind production instead of food production. Power lines need to be strung to bring the power from where it is generated to where it is needed. And the Rare Earth minerals required to make the turbines cause tons of pollution in their mining and extraction.
    The wind is free, but tons of REAL pollution is generated in the process of getting us to the free energy.

  • Anonymous

    I would love to see an environmental impact study of the true polluting of wind turbines. Roads need to be built. Tons of concrete need to be poured for the bases. Productive farm land is used for wind production instead of food production. Power lines need to be strung to bring the power from where it is generated to where it is needed. And the Rare Earth minerals required to make the turbines cause tons of pollution in their mining and extraction.
    The wind is free, but tons of REAL pollution is generated in the process of getting us to the free energy.

  • Anonymous

    I would love to see an environmental impact study of the true polluting of wind turbines. Roads need to be built. Tons of concrete need to be poured for the bases. Productive farm land is used for wind production instead of food production. Power lines need to be strung to bring the power from where it is generated to where it is needed. And the Rare Earth minerals required to make the turbines cause tons of pollution in their mining and extraction.
    The wind is free, but tons of REAL pollution is generated in the process of getting us to the free energy.

  • Anonymous

    On top of that, the turbines hack bunches of birds up when operating at peak output. They are dangerous to work on to boot.
    But that doesn’t matter, does it? Symbolism over substance. It has been , and will continue to be, the Democrap way.

  • Anonymous

    On top of that, the turbines hack bunches of birds up when operating at peak output. They are dangerous to work on to boot.
    But that doesn’t matter, does it? Symbolism over substance. It has been , and will continue to be, the Democrap way.

  • Anonymous

    On top of that, the turbines hack bunches of birds up when operating at peak output. They are dangerous to work on to boot.
    But that doesn’t matter, does it? Symbolism over substance. It has been , and will continue to be, the Democrap way.

  • Anonymous

    On top of that, the turbines hack bunches of birds up when operating at peak output. They are dangerous to work on to boot.
    But that doesn’t matter, does it? Symbolism over substance. It has been , and will continue to be, the Democrap way.

  • Anonymous

    On top of that, the turbines hack bunches of birds up when operating at peak output. They are dangerous to work on to boot.
    But that doesn’t matter, does it? Symbolism over substance. It has been , and will continue to be, the Democrap way.

  • rochmoninoff

    One aspect of wind power not mentioned in your article is that for every wind farm they also build a fossile fuel facility of equall output to cover for when the wind stops.

    So you get two power plant for the price of … two power plants. All to cover the demands of one power plant.

    Now that’s efficiency!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

      No… That’s government…. ONE for the price of TWO

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

      No… That’s government…. ONE for the price of TWO

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

      No… That’s government…. ONE for the price of TWO

    • Anonymous

      Got a link to this notion?

    • Anonymous

      Got a link to this notion?

    • Anonymous

      Got a link to this notion?

      • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

        What difference does it make, you wouldn’t go there and you wouldn’t change your mind if you did.

    • Anonymous

      Got a link to this notion?

  • rochmoninoff

    One aspect of wind power not mentioned in your article is that for every wind farm they also build a fossile fuel facility of equall output to cover for when the wind stops.

    So you get two power plant for the price of … two power plants. All to cover the demands of one power plant.

    Now that’s efficiency!

  • rochmoninoff

    One aspect of wind power not mentioned in your article is that for every wind farm they also build a fossile fuel facility of equall output to cover for when the wind stops.

    So you get two power plant for the price of … two power plants. All to cover the demands of one power plant.

    Now that’s efficiency!

  • rochmoninoff

    One aspect of wind power not mentioned in your article is that for every wind farm they also build a fossile fuel facility of equall output to cover for when the wind stops.

    So you get two power plant for the price of … two power plants. All to cover the demands of one power plant.

    Now that’s efficiency!

  • rochmoninoff

    One aspect of wind power not mentioned in your article is that for every wind farm they also build a fossile fuel facility of equall output to cover for when the wind stops.

    So you get two power plant for the price of … two power plants. All to cover the demands of one power plant.

    Now that’s efficiency!

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  • Anonymous

    It is estimated that there are 50,000 + wind generators in the world and that their total power delivery could be achieved by eight large nuclear power plants, which I might add operate 24/7. Where is Don Qxote when you need him.

  • Anonymous

    It is estimated that there are 50,000 + wind generators in the world and that their total power delivery could be achieved by eight large nuclear power plants, which I might add operate 24/7. Where is Don Qxote when you need him.

  • Anonymous

    I have had more hope for wind & solar energy to be worthwhile, but in the real world the hyped capacity and the actual energy produced is terrible. In particular when you consider the cost/benefit ratio. Without subsidies and tax breaks the cost is not remotely comparable to fossil fuels. The City of Reno has put up a site that gives you real time data from various solar panels and wind generators. ( http://greenenergy.reno.gov/energy/) The amount of energy produced versus rated capacity looks very bad. It seems much of Green Energy unfortunately is just PR for the masses. It looks like for the foreseeable future, Coal, Natural Gas, Oil and Nuclear are our most realistic options for powering the world.

    • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

      Hydro works well too but you’re right, both of those forms simply cannot do the job that is needed. There’s no realistic expectation that they ever will be able to.

    • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

      Hydro works well too but you’re right, both of those forms simply cannot do the job that is needed. There’s no realistic expectation that they ever will be able to.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

      My guess is everyone would love it if these sources ACTUALLY worked but the reality is they just dont. Initially wale oil and kerosine were the goto energy source, then oil came onto the stage but THAT didnt happen quickly or with government and eviro wakos shoving people into it.

      Sure it would be great to have cold fusion, or dark matter or solar fission but the tech just isnt there yet and it may be a few hundred years until it arrives.

      Oil, coal, & nuclear works! We have it NOW so why the commies keep forcing this dreamworld fantasy is only explainable as just another way to control people??

  • Anonymous

    I have had more hope for wind & solar energy to be worthwhile, but in the real world the hyped capacity and the actual energy produced is terrible. In particular when you consider the cost/benefit ratio. Without subsidies and tax breaks the cost is not remotely comparable to fossil fuels. The City of Reno has put up a site that gives you real time data from various solar panels and wind generators. ( http://greenenergy.reno.gov/energy/) The amount of energy produced versus rated capacity looks very bad. It seems much of Green Energy unfortunately is just PR for the masses. It looks like for the foreseeable future, Coal, Natural Gas, Oil and Nuclear are our most realistic options for powering the world.

  • http://twitter.com/fergiedurgish NOT LISTED

    John,
    This is so true, but you forgot to mention the millions of birds these things kill on a weekly basis.

    Next article, would you mind discussing how stupid solar energy is for states like Oregon, that sometimes have a clear day in like . . . NEVER! Yet, these same enviro-nuts say solar will work even in cloudy weather. . .

    Thanks.

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    John,
    This is so true, but you forgot to mention the millions of birds these things kill on a weekly basis.

    Next article, would you mind discussing how stupid solar energy is for states like Oregon, that sometimes have a clear day in like . . . NEVER! Yet, these same enviro-nuts say solar will work even in cloudy weather. . .

    Thanks.

  • http://twitter.com/fergiedurgish NOT LISTED

    John,
    This is so true, but you forgot to mention the millions of birds these things kill on a weekly basis.

    Next article, would you mind discussing how stupid solar energy is for states like Oregon, that sometimes have a clear day in like . . . NEVER! Yet, these same enviro-nuts say solar will work even in cloudy weather. . .

    Thanks.

  • Anonymous

    The wind farms outside Palm Springs produce 20% of the city’s power.

    The desert is a great source for wind and solar power, but these should not be the only energy sources.

  • Anonymous

    The wind farms outside Palm Springs produce 20% of the city’s power.

    The desert is a great source for wind and solar power, but these should not be the only energy sources.

  • Anonymous

    The wind farms outside Palm Springs produce 20% of the city’s power.

    The desert is a great source for wind and solar power, but these should not be the only energy sources.

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